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Old 10-14-2020, 02:07 AM   #101 (permalink)
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Big risk/small reward vs small risk/big reward?

We risk climate catastrophe if we aren't prepared for the Beaufort Gyre shutting down the Gulf Stream. .... and for pollution.

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...collaborating with the world on a tax strategy
That's your prescription? What is this 'the world' of which you speak?

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Old 10-14-2020, 02:27 AM   #102 (permalink)
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Big risk/small reward vs small risk/big reward?
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Old 10-14-2020, 03:21 AM   #103 (permalink)
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You either start increasing prices slowly or invite the dystopian nightmare future.

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Winter is coming. Then the micro-nova that happens every 12,000 years..
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I can't follow quite a bit of your commentary.

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Winter is coming. Then the micro-nova that happens every 12,000 years..
Is this one of those fallacious arguments which says "There are other things in the universe that affect the ecosystem"?
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Old 10-14-2020, 11:40 AM   #106 (permalink)
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I can't follow quite a bit of your commentary.
freebeard likes conspiracy theories and communicating in riddles and code. Maybe they make sense if you follow QAnon. (Maybe freebeard is Q?)
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Old 10-14-2020, 11:41 AM   #107 (permalink)
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I can't follow quite a bit of your commentary.


Is this one of those fallacious arguments which says "There are other things in the universe that affect the ecosystem"?
freebeard a bit obtuse sometimes, but usually spot on once you get the intended POV.
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Old 10-14-2020, 12:32 PM   #108 (permalink)
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A cost-benefit analysis?! What are the possible benefits that might come from risking climate catastrophe?
You've made the first and biggest mistake right off the batt; assuming a conclusion that isn't in evidence.

Humanity has been benefiting mightily from warming that began 20,000 years ago. The questions that need to be answered in this order are:

1. At what level of warming are the benefits outweighed by the negative outcomes (breakeven)?

2. Is it feasible to hold global temperature to the level that maximally benefits humanity?

3. What CO2 concentration would maintain that ideal global temperature, and what would the global emissions need to be to maintain that?

4. How do we get global buy-in to achieve these targets?

It's possible, and maybe even probable that the answer to #2 is no.

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That's your prescription? What is this 'the world' of which you speak?
It's meant to show how unlikely that would be. There's no more effective strategy I can think of that involves exertion of government force. If there isn't buy-in from the largest populations, then a unilateral effort is worse than meaningless because it disadvantages that group for zero benefit.

My broader point is that any effort that isn't tax-based is ignorance at best, political corruption at worst (and probably both).

Anyhow, more likely is that we'll organically solve these problems through normal innovation from capitalistic motivation and declining population growth.

...now back on topic, what is your favorite IPA and Scotch?
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I can't follow quite a bit of your commentary.
"I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you"

Small risk: big reward [is greater than] Big risk:small reward

'Winter is coming' is intentionally cryptic, as the Climate Consensus thread was locked on 2020-05-01 after three consecutive posts by everyones favorite myope, aerohead, who has now focussed his attention on JulianEdgar.
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It's aerohead's internet day too, so the timing couldn't be worse/better.

Guess I'll have to focus on battery/ultracap topics today.

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