Looking for help building a Gas Vapor system

[elhigh]

Originally Posted by RustyLugNut

The ability to get 50% thermal efficiency from a spark ignited gasoline engine is pretty exceptional. That isn't far behind the efficiency of an ocean going diesel power plant. A few more improvements will put TE closer to 60%. This isn't bogus internet claims. This is just good engineering.

Best IC engine efficiency I've seen so far is that big Wartsila-Sulzer diesel, it hits over 50% w/o cogen.

[straight5]

To the OP, I agree with you, that there are a lot of people out there that make claims of efficiency improvements - some small - some large. I don't doubt that some (at least a few) are real. Many of these claims are by people who seem to be quite knowledgeable and sincere. Those people generally aren't selling anything and it seems as if they have nothing to gain by convincing other people, except for the satisfaction of knowing that they have helped someone else.
I don't know what the real answers are.
There are probably a few that have made significant gains, but exactly how and why - I suspect that often they themselves don't understand the reasons.
.....Maybe another part of the equation is that people think that because "X" helped my mileage, then "X" will help yours - when we know that may not be the case at all.
Take Somender Singh's groove theory. Don't you think that his "grooves" would help in some instances, but would be detrimental in more cases than they helped?
Please don't think that I am trying to discourage you. I hope that you read what these guys have said and carefully consider the comments. People on this forum seem to me to be very willing to help others and I've been surprised many times at the time, effort, knowledge and resources that are freely shared here.
BTW - I still don't understand why there is generally no gain in mpg by introducing into an engine a small amount of browns gas, HHO, or whatever - unless of course you're using the alternator to power the device making it.

[racprops]

“BTW - I still don't understand why there is generally no gain in mpg by introducing into an engine a small amount of browns gas, HHO, or whatever - unless of course you're using the alternator to power the device making it.”


I too ran into that problem of HHO.

I have had up to 30amps draw and not seen any change in the engine’s loading not any change it the injectors duty cycle, and can switch on all lights, and fans ETC and still no change in duty cycle nor GPH use BUT cut in the A/C and it will jump up a couple of points on the duty cycle and GPH will go up from .45 GPH to .56 GPH.

None the less, the use a tank of hydrogen cut out the alternator all together.

IF you go with the idea it is the Hydrogen I seemed to have proven that does not work in anywhere the amount most claim it does as in under 10 liters per minute rate.

On the other hand some HHO fans claim HHO or browns gas in NOT the same hydrogen but of another kind, and THAT is why it is supposed to work.

AND others say it is the boost from the Hydrogen and the oxygen combo. I have a cell that has the two gases separated and have tried both outputs and again saw no change.

And last we found many HHO generators also produced a lot of steam so it could be just the steam boosting MPG.

I have NOT tested add pure steam to my car, but the other combos I have and failed to get any improvements.

[tf4624]

Originally Posted by racprops

“BTW - I still don't understand why there is generally no gain in mpg by introducing into an engine a small amount of browns gas, HHO, or whatever - unless of course you're using the alternator to power the device making it.”


I too ran into that problem of HHO.

I have had up to 30amps draw and not seen any change in the engine’s loading not any change it the injectors duty cycle, and can switch on all lights, and fans ETC and still no change in duty cycle nor GPH use BUT cut in the A/C and it will jump up a couple of points on the duty cycle and GPH will go up from .45 GPH to .56 GPH.

None the less, the use a tank of hydrogen cut out the alternator all together.

IF you go with the idea it is the Hydrogen I seemed to have proven that does not work in anywhere the amount most claim it does as in under 10 liters per minute rate.

On the other hand some HHO fans claim HHO or browns gas in NOT the same hydrogen but of another kind, and THAT is why it is supposed to work.

AND others say it is the boost from the Hydrogen and the oxygen combo. I have a cell that has the two gases separated and have tried both outputs and again saw no change.

And last we found many HHO generators also produced a lot of steam so it could be just the steam boosting MPG.

I have NOT tested add pure steam to my car, but the other combos I have and failed to get any improvements.

works fine in carb vehicle... you have to modify the computer reading oxygen level in the car to see a change an also sometimes the MAP sensor too.

[tf4624]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

I find it hard to believe claims that are not reproducable since that's kind like only the entire foundation of science.

there's nothing extraordinary. Its the illusion of such, you've been kept in the dark, wake up

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by tf4624

works fine in carb vehicle... you have to modify the computer reading oxygen level in the car to see a change an also sometimes the MAP sensor too.

Oh so you trick the engine into running the engine lean, no wonder it works. Sounds like you could skip the hho generator and just run lean. Lean burn gives around a 20% boost to fuel economy.
Anyone who believes hho works is delusional.

[tf4624]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Oh so you trick the engine into running the engine lean, no wonder it works. Sounds like you could skip the hho generator and just run lean. Lean burn gives around a 20% boost to fuel economy.
Anyone who believes hho works is delusional.

you substitute fuel with HHO..

if you lean to much without substitute you will cause damage.

[Frank Lee]

Originally Posted by tf4624

there's nothing extraordinary. Its the illusion of such, you've been kept in the dark, wake up

"there's nothing. Its an illusion, i've been kept in the dark, didn't wake up yet"

There, fixed it for ya.

[tf4624]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Oh so you trick the engine into running the engine lean, no wonder it works. Sounds like you could skip the hho generator and just run lean. Lean burn gives around a 20% boost to fuel economy.
Anyone who believes hho works is delusional.

Hho does work.. both ways.. 1 way is on total 100 percent with Oxygen of course

or do a dual mixture by replacing some gasoline.

[racprops]

I did all that fooling around with the CPU's sensors and idid not work either.

It might work on carb cars but it is worthless because there are only two kinds of carb car owners now, Collectors holding a Classic or poor as dirt driving old junkers, the collectors don't care about MPG and would not mess with a classic and the poor junker owners cannot afford a MPG device...