Are the normies noticing rising gas prices yet? Gas is at a multi-year high price.

[oil pan 4]

I do that with my diesel and tractor. Replace some of the diesel with vegetable oil.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Ecomodding a vehicle is just as possible as turning a jeep into a more off road capable, on road death trap.

The misinformation in car forums is just about universal, and people all tend to have the same "gotta pay to play" attitude unless you're in a Hyundai Accent forum. My Acura TSX has one of the most aerodynamic profiles, but there is no interest in getting good fuel economy in that forum, and they still think a CAI and clean air filter are essential to getting the highest MPGs. Same attitude in my Dodge pickup forum. They all want 4.10 gearing so they can drag race with a trailer rather than get better fuel economy.

I sold the Jeep Liberty primarily because it's a Jeep, and expensive repairs are an inevitable part of Jeep ownership. I was also unimpressed with the 19 MPG I was getting and terrible auto transmission. It was slightly better offroad than the Subaru Legacy (2.2L manual) I had that got 30 MPG, but only due to better ground clearance and a low range gearbox.

[wdb]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

I was attempting to help the discussion in a Jeep forum where a member was asking for ways to improve FE. All of the comments wrote me off, or dismissed saving fuel as possible or even worthwhile. All of their assumptions were either wrong, or mostly unhelpful (install a CAI, replace the air filter).

I got a lot of this back when I participated in a Subaru WRX forum. 80% of the replies were "why did you buy this car if you wanted to save gas" or similar. Fortunately 20% were helpful, the mods moderated, and a useful discussion was possible.

Originally Posted by RustyLugNut

The economy is recovering. More people are working. More money to spend. We just don't teach frugality in the development years of schooling. This translates to the desire for more than one really requires. Most of us have to learn that post schooling.

I am familiar with two groups who buy gargantuan vehicles:

• those who know exactly what they're doing, can afford it (or think they can), and don't care about running costs
• those desiring to fit in with societal peers

These groups have occasional overlaps, such as soccer moms.

[Fat Charlie]

Originally Posted by wdb

I got a lot of this back when I participated in a Subaru WRX forum. 80% of the replies were "why did you buy this car if you wanted to save gas" or similar. Fortunately 20% were helpful, the mods moderated, and a useful discussion was possible.

On my Subaru LGT forum there was overlap, too. It was 80% "that's stupid" and 30% You're making this up." General laughter when I pointed out that I was getting performance out of my car by driving it that they couldn't get out of theirs.

[slowmover]

I’ve been “an obvious liar” on Dodge one ton truck forums for ten years. Wacky tabacky-ville . My calendar average is higher than their best highway mpg. Hell, I tow my 35’ travel trailer at their calendar average.

It’s not the vehicle. It’s not the driver. It’s the total annual miles that sticks out most. None, or next to none are willing to reduce that. Including around here.

That, and a fully enclosed garage granting longest life, kills much of the paper argument about specific mpg.

[jamesqf]

Originally Posted by RustyLugNut

All my 4x4's are vegetable powered diesels.

My ORV runs on hay :-)

Originally Posted by wdb

I am familiar with two groups who buy gargantuan vehicles:

There's a third group, the ones who buy them because they've been convinced (contrary to actual evidence) that they're safer.

[Xist]

My sister is an over-protective mama bear and bought her crossover to protect her cubs. Then she suffered a TBI while riding in an SUV that rolled over.

[freebeard]

One of the times I wished I'd had a camera was a black SUV, unattended, upside down in an intersection, resting on the hood and windshield header.

[Xist]

Prior to cell phones, my life alternated between seeing something cool and wishing I had a camera, and tedious periods where I carried a camera, but nothing happened.

Last week:

Today:

Yet...



Has anyone else seen an animal that large in a neighborhood? It was next to the sidewalk when I passed, but I stopped and walked back to take the picture.

Hitting these guys is deleterious to fuel economy! So is hitting Lamborghinis!

[Fat Charlie]

We get animals that size all the time, to the point where "oh, yeah, I missed a deer this morning" might get mentioned at dinner.

Were the two cars in that photo competing for "least aerodynamic?"