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Old 12-09-2019, 10:48 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Love it. When I had my CBR125R I loved every aspect of it- except its lack of power. I always said there was a good market for 250's even as learners, but some of the funnest bikes on the track are 250's. They are so dang light and flickable in the corners.

I wish I could ride again, but unfortunately neck surgery prevents that. Two pins and a brace in the c5-6 ended it. But Im still waving at you all from the cage.

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Old 12-10-2019, 01:01 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I'm not seeing the value here.

I bought my 2001 CBR600 F4i in 2003 for $5k, and it's a 4-cylinder fuel injected bike. My guess is you can pick up used sportbikes for $2-3k these days.

Just don't see the point in having so many cylinders when the engine is so small. It isn't efficient. Sure, you get more power out of the small engine, but at extra expense and worse fuel economy. My 600 probably doesn't weigh much more since it's designed to be lightweight, whereas the baby Ninjas and other 250 bikes don't take weight so seriously.
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I'm not seeing the value here.

I bought my 2001 CBR600 F4i in 2003 for $5k, and it's a 4-cylinder fuel injected bike. My guess is you can pick up used sportbikes for $2-3k these days.

Just don't see the point in having so many cylinders when the engine is so small. It isn't efficient. Sure, you get more power out of the small engine, but at extra expense and worse fuel economy. My 600 probably doesn't weigh much more since it's designed to be lightweight, whereas the baby Ninjas and other 250 bikes don't take weight so seriously.

It is not, and never will be a value bike. Power on a budget can easily had by getting an old supersport like the CBR 1100XX or an older Hayabusa. This bike is for people who want the I4 experience without the ludicrous power that most I4 supersports make, plus it will likely rev higher(sounds cool) than anything else on the market. Well, that's why I want it anyway.

The actual reason for its existence is likely to fill a market niche in countries with insane tax laws on engine size and license restrictions. I doubt it will see U.S. shores, but I can still hope.
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I'm not so sure. I'm quite happy with my bikes 1200cc shared between 4 cylinders. All that internal friction, coupled with insufficient capacity to generate the power to make that advantageous seems a bit pointless to me. I do like it though, mad for the sake of it.
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Video of its' sound has been posted, including a picture of the tachometer! Red LINE at 17,000 RPM, so i'm hoping Kawsaki has decided to take the truthful route.



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I'm not so sure. I'm quite happy with my bikes 1200cc shared between 4 cylinders. All that internal friction, coupled with insufficient capacity to generate the power to make that advantageous seems a bit pointless to me. I do like it though, mad for the sake of it.
It's actual reason for existing and my reason for wanting it are likely different, however I want it because it provides a high revving inline four engine experience without needing to go fast. Definitely mad!
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I took the sound from the clip they posted and ran Audacity's spectrum analyzer on it when it was bouncing at the rev limiter. Strongest peak at 569Hz which corresponds to 17000rpm

I would guess 50hp, since 600cc bikes make ~210hp/L with 10% less revs. The ratio was about the same in 1989 between the 250 and 600 bikes.

If this comes to the US, it might get me into motorcycling, even though I'm deathly scared of dying. This bike will only be doing like 45mph at the rev limit in 1st gear which means I can enjoy the sound while lowering my risk of getting killed.
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1. Honestly, I could see this bike. For people with money, who want to ride again, but don't trust themselves with a big super sport anymore. Its hard to keep a license on a 600cc+ haha.
2. It would probably be easier just to throw a restrictor plate on a 600cc like the europeans do though. There isn't really a big weight difference.
3. I've always wanted to drive to Canada and haul a 250rr across the border.
4. Realistically I will probably just get an FZ6 and throw a highway sprocket on it.
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Honestly, I could see this bike. For people with money, who want to ride again, but don't trust themselves with a big super sport anymore. Its hard to keep a license on a 600cc+ haha.
I could see my father considering this motorcycle. He usually says a small 4-pot provides a great riding experience.


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It would probably be easier just to throw a restrictor plate on a 600cc like the europeans do though. There isn't really a big weight difference.
Some folks are quite obsessed for a smaller, higher-revving little beast, even though a de-rated 600cc could do the very same job at lower revving.

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