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Forum: Motorcycles / Scooters 06-25-2013, 01:56 PM
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Posted By cvetter
Not lean angle. A high CG seems to dampen...

Not lean angle.

A high CG seems to dampen out the effects of quick sidewinds having their way with me.

With weight up high, closer to where the center of pressure is, by time the wind gust...
Forum: Motorcycles / Scooters 06-24-2013, 02:39 PM
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Posted By cvetter
Morning all. Wow!.. my quote actually is "Don't...

Morning all. Wow!.. my quote actually is "Don't make it more trouble than it is worth"

Let me explain what I think about side winds. My Helix has a very low CG and a very center of pressure. I...
Forum: Motorcycles / Scooters 06-16-2013, 09:51 PM
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Posted By cvetter
Vetter Challenge Streamlining Nose Kits Available Now

The nose components for the Vetter Challenge Streamliner (http://www.craigvetter.com/pages/Online_Store/Streamliner%20Superstore.html) are available now for $1750 plus shipping. It looks like it...
Forum: Motorcycles / Scooters 06-10-2013, 08:19 PM
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Posted By cvetter
Airplanes act very differently than our land...

Airplanes act very differently than our land based motorcycles. Airplanes "crab" into the wind. In other words, the airplane thinks it is always going straight into the wind. A flag on the nose...
Forum: Motorcycles / Scooters 06-06-2013, 08:57 AM
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Posted By cvetter
Craig Vetter here: Please understand that the...

Craig Vetter here: Please understand that the streamlining above is intended to be the ultimate for the way we really want to drive: sitting up in comfort. Staying comfortable out of the elements....
Forum: Motorcycles / Scooters 04-05-2013, 02:05 PM
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Views: 2,746
Posted By cvetter
2013 Vetter Fuel Economy Challenges

Its that time again: The Quail Challenge (http://www.craigvetter.com/pages/2013-Challenges/2013-Quail-Challenge.html) in Carmel CA is May 3. Followed by an invitational showing at Mike Corbin's...
Forum: Motorcycles / Scooters 01-25-2013, 09:07 PM
Replies: 324
Views: 59,969
Posted By cvetter
Vetter on the streamlined Helix

What kind of horsepower does the Enfield Diesel put out? It seems that you would need closer to 25 to operate in "Vetter Conditions" with any kind of longevity. Does anybody really know what kind...
Forum: Motorcycles / Scooters 01-25-2013, 10:24 AM
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Posted By cvetter
Vetter on numbers

I confess. I have always been suspicious of people who do quick calculations to give me a number. Do their numbers account for winds? Blasts coming from the front? From the side driving on wet wire...
Forum: Motorcycles / Scooters 01-23-2013, 11:00 AM
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Views: 59,969
Posted By cvetter
Vetter on the right shape

Consider the following:
Streamlining is only one shape: Round at the front, pointed at the rear
The smallest frontal area that does the job will determine the overall streamlined shape...
Forum: Motorcycles / Scooters 01-22-2013, 07:10 PM
Replies: 324
Views: 59,969
Posted By cvetter
You are right. Few want my kit parts. ...

You are right. Few want my kit parts. Therefore, I am not working on finishing the molds. That said, the original nose mold is being used to make nose parts for a few. It is rough but if it is...
Forum: Motorcycles / Scooters 12-03-2012, 06:39 PM
Replies: 324
Views: 59,969
Posted By cvetter
Vetter Streamliner Kit

My page was down this morning but all seems good now.

Here is the story on the aluminum. It turned out to be virtually impossible to make a flat, un-twisted aluminum nose structure that allowed...
Forum: Motorcycles / Scooters 12-03-2012, 08:13 AM
Replies: 324
Views: 59,969
Posted By cvetter
Separating equipment and driving technique

I look at it this way. My passion is the equipment: Streamlining and the right horsepower.

Driving technique is your passion. When we experiment - and that is what we are doing as fuel economy...
Forum: Motorcycles / Scooters 12-02-2012, 11:05 PM
Replies: 324
Views: 59,969
Posted By cvetter
Back to the Vetter Streamliner Kit

The Vetter Fuel Challenges involve riding the way we really ride. This means brisk acceleration up to the posted speed limits. No pulse and gliding. No drafting. No change from normal riding. I...
Forum: Motorcycles / Scooters 12-02-2012, 05:25 PM
Replies: 324
Views: 59,969
Posted By cvetter
Vetter Challenge at Mid Ohio, 2013

Mark the date: Friday, July 19, 2013. Early in the morning. We will have more time and try for, say, 150 miles. I wonder if, in addition, we should have an electric loop? X miles out... x miles...
Forum: Motorcycles / Scooters 12-02-2012, 11:58 AM
Replies: 324
Views: 59,969
Posted By cvetter
A small scale vac former cannot beat the price...

A small scale vac former cannot beat the price for one hand laid fiberglass part. Too much prep work. So far you are the one that thinks you might buy even one nose.

It is not looking good for...
Forum: Motorcycles / Scooters 12-02-2012, 10:41 AM
Replies: 324
Views: 59,969
Posted By cvetter
Vacuum forming possibilities

Hand laid fiberglass in hand laid fiberglass molds is the cheapest way to make a quality part in small numbers. Like less than a 1000 per year.
...
Forum: Motorcycles / Scooters 12-02-2012, 09:48 AM
Replies: 324
Views: 59,969
Posted By cvetter
Vetter answers questions about streamlining

It is horsepower that consumes your fuel.
A vehicle with more horsepower consumes more fuel.
A vehicle with less horsepower consumes less fuel.
Streamlining allows less horsepower to do the job...
Forum: Motorcycles / Scooters 12-01-2012, 10:46 PM
Replies: 324
Views: 59,969
Posted By cvetter
The Vetter Streamliner Kit

You are drifting away from "Do I make this kit for you?"
http://www.craigvetter.com/Vetter-downloads/Vetter-Streamlined-Helix-123.jpg

Should I make this kit for you?

Thanks

Craig
Forum: Motorcycles / Scooters 12-01-2012, 07:36 PM
Replies: 324
Views: 59,969
Posted By cvetter
Everything you say about expense is true. I (we)...

Everything you say about expense is true. I (we) do projects like this out of passion. Not for money. True too is your observation that most motorcyclists don't care about fuel economy. This saddens...
Forum: Motorcycles / Scooters 12-01-2012, 05:52 PM
Replies: 324
Views: 59,969
Posted By cvetter
Vetter Streamliner Kit

I must reel you in. The goal of this thread is to find out if I should make the kit components so you can streamline virtually any 2 wheeler you want.
...
Forum: Motorcycles / Scooters 12-01-2012, 04:10 PM
Replies: 324
Views: 59,969
Posted By cvetter
Car vs bike fuel consumption

There is the very real possibility that, ultimately, a car can go farther on less fuel than a 2 wheeler. The reason is that it can be aerodynamically cleaner with a not much bigger frontal area.
...
Forum: Motorcycles / Scooters 12-01-2012, 01:53 PM
Replies: 324
Views: 59,969
Posted By cvetter
Sendler: The nose pieces certainly make the nose...

Sendler: The nose pieces certainly make the nose easy. RE the back... while the last rearward bulkhead is an easy wood thing, the front, with its generously rounded corner, is not so easy.

RE...
Forum: Motorcycles / Scooters 12-01-2012, 12:43 PM
Replies: 324
Views: 59,969
Posted By cvetter
More from Vetter on Streamliner Kit

Thank you for this new thread. At the risk of sounding redundant... there is only one optimum streamlined body shape for the conditions I am designing for... The Vetter Conditions of "70 mph, into a...
Forum: Motorcycles / Scooters 12-01-2012, 10:32 AM
Replies: 385
Views: 192,884
Posted By cvetter
More from Vetter on Streamliner Kit

Morning Pete: I love intelligent dialogue and appreciate your inventiveness. Thank you.
Let me respond to your key observations:
...
Forum: Motorcycles / Scooters 11-30-2012, 11:51 PM
Replies: 385
Views: 192,884
Posted By cvetter
Vetter Streamliner Kit

Streamlining is easy to say but hard to do. Unless, of course, somebody makes a kit that makes streamlining easy. The Vetter Streamliner design makes it easy. Even better, it has proven to be good...
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