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RedDevil 10-12-2016 07:27 AM

17 October Tesla surprise product announcement
 
Tesla is to make a surprising product announcement coming 17th of October...
https://www.inverse.com/article/2195...duct-is-coming

Everyone is guessing what it will be.
AutoPilot 2.0?
The Model Y, a SUV based on the Model 3?
A new PowerWall/PowerPack?
The infamous Snake Charger?

As Musk states that it will be something "unexpected by most" it is probably none of the above.
We'll know in 5 days from now.

rmay635703 10-12-2016 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by RedDevil (Post 524539)
Tesla is to make a surprising product announcement coming 17th of September

Next year?

RedDevil 10-12-2016 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by rmay635703 (Post 524549)
Quote:

Originally Posted by RedDevil (Post 524539)
Tesla is to make a surprising product announcement coming 17th of September...

Next year?

Whoopsie! Thanks.

JSH 10-12-2016 11:34 AM

The Model 3 will come to market on time?

NeilBlanchard 10-12-2016 12:15 PM

I hope is is an pickup truck, or a hatchback version of the Model 3.

MetroMPG 10-12-2016 01:04 PM

Musk is such a tease.

But, hey... if it works!

Amazing they're generating demand for their products without having to spend any money on conventional advertising.

MetroMPG 10-19-2016 10:24 AM

So the surprise announcement was:

DELAYING THE ANNOUNCEMENT FROM THE 17th TO TODAY, the 19th.

Even their surprise announcements are late. :)

RedDevil 10-19-2016 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MetroMPG (Post 525183)
So the surprise announcement was:

DELAYING THE ANNOUNCEMENT FROM THE 17th TO TODAY, the 19th.

Even their surprise announcements are late. :)

Huh yeah. I actually forgot about it :)

Elon Musk pushes back 'unexpected product' announcement to allow more 'refinement'

So it is something where refinement is needed hard enough to delay the introduction. Wonder if it is a wearable. :p

Xist 10-19-2016 01:43 PM

Tesla announcement goes live at 5pm California time. 30 minutes of media Q&A to follow."

me and my metro 10-19-2016 09:58 PM

Well?

rmay635703 10-19-2016 10:53 PM

Autonomous cars.

Didn't surprise me but autonomous drive to me is the beginning of the end.

NeilBlanchard 10-20-2016 12:29 PM

We may or may not ever get to autonomous cars - but I think this is a bridge too far. Elon Musk is right about many things - but not autonomous cars.

wickydude 10-20-2016 04:37 PM

Right or not, it's an impressive feat.

Audi is set to release an A8 in 2018 that is autonomous upto 60km/h. Tesla does normal highway speeds now.
Google's been working on it for years. You can't buy one, probably not for years, even if you wanted that ugly snail.
In a couple of years there will be a few million Tesla's on the road that have the hardware.
It's just a matter of time. All the major brands are working on it. Tesla takes it a step further faster.

As I said: impressive!

oldtamiyaphile 10-20-2016 07:47 PM

Tesla are playing fast and loose with their auto pilot system:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQkx-4pFjus

Can't imagine them being ready for full autonomous use next year. You'd think that the current system would be 100% bug free before they let it loose on much more complicated city streets.

wickydude 10-21-2016 12:49 AM

That van must have also been on auto pilot when it hit the car in front of it... ;)
And the guy in the tesla sleeping.

That's the thing. It's expected to be perfect all the time. unrealistic of course.
It will reduce the number of accidents, not bring it to zero.
Did you see Tesla's video? When I see the car parking itself... it's coming along quite nicely, I'd say.
https://player.vimeo.com/video/188105076

AntiochOG 10-21-2016 09:55 AM

Although I do enjoy driving sometimes, my commute is not one of those times. I would be happy with a future that involves something like an autonomous Uber taking me anywhere I need to go, and going to a racetrack when I want to get my fix of manual driving. The lower cost, increased safety, faster commute, and increased simplicity of not owning a car all seem worth it to me.

Xist 10-21-2016 02:12 PM

People ask "You would trust a car to drive for you?!"
"More than I trust human drivers."
Do I think this is ready? One death was too many.
I hate fighting traffic, but how bad would it be if cars moved according to logic and not emotion?

JSH 10-21-2016 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by AntiochOG (Post 525349)
Although I do enjoy driving sometimes, my commute is not one of those times. I would be happy with a future that involves something like an autonomous Uber taking me anywhere I need to go, and going to a racetrack when I want to get my fix of manual driving. The lower cost, increased safety, faster commute, and increased simplicity of not owning a car all seem worth it to me.

Those are my thoughts as well. I used to like driving - back when I lived in Eastern Tennessee with interesting winding roads and very little traffic. The last 10 years have been in major metro areas where driving involves sitting in traffic for hours. I would happily allow a robot to drive my commute for me.

What I don't get is the idea that autonomous cars will reduce the number of cars on the road. As long as the majority of people leave for work at the same time every day and refuse to carpool the number of cars stays the same. The number of cars still has to match the peak travel volume.

Ecky 10-21-2016 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JSH (Post 525372)
Those are my thoughts as well. I used to like driving - back when I lived in Eastern Tennessee with interesting winding roads and very little traffic. The last 10 years have been in major metro areas where driving involves sitting in traffic for hours. I would happily allow a robot to drive my commute for me.

What I don't get is the idea that autonomous cars will reduce the number of cars on the road. As long as the majority of people leave for work at the same time every day and refuse to carpool the number of cars stays the same. The number of cars still has to match the peak travel volume.

If individual ownership goes down, and autonomous software detects 3 or 4 people who live near each other are going to the same place, it would be very convenient to step out of your front door, sit down in a recliner, eat your bagel while waiting to get to work. I don't think I'd feel the need to pay $xx,xxx to own a moving room so that I don't ever have to share it with someone else, especially if nobody is driving.

oldtamiyaphile 10-21-2016 07:49 PM

"As traffic deaths continue to decline, nine vehicles were found
to have had no fatalities for model years 2009 through 2012, while three
were found to have been involved in more than 100 deaths per 1 million
registered vehicles, according to a study from the Insurance Institute
for Highway Safety.

Of the nine safest models, six were SUVs -- Kia Sorento, Lexus RX 350,
Mercedes-Benz GL, Toyota Highlander and Sequoia and Volvo XC90. The
other fatality-free models over the four model years were the Audi A4
four-wheel-drive, Honda Odyssey minivan and Subaru Legacy sedan."

Study reveals 9 car models with zero traffic deaths

So you see, the Tesla is already one of the most dangerous cars on the road considering it's a luxury car. The above study was limited to cars with 100,000+ vehicle years only, so not many if any luxury limos would have made it in, but my guess is very few/zero people die in big Mercs and BMWs.

The video I posted earlier is an accident that a toddler could have avoided, yet I wouldn't let a toddler drive my cars.

As for traffic, any one who's been in a taxi will understand why the carpool idea won't work any better than the taxi/uber model does today. The cars will quickly get disgusting and beaten up especially if there's no human driver to offer supervision. Also people want to step outside and have their vehicle ready when they are, they don't want to wait and they don't want to be hurried if the car arrives early. Frankly, if the OEMs though car sharing would really take off they wouldn't be offering autonomous drivng as it would put a massive dent in their sales. The cost of a rental car has always been higher than owning, so I don't see how that will change unless you literally only drive once a week, while the cost of a taxi is so high that even sharing it four ways still matches private ownership.

As for traffic part 2, what autonomous cars bring is the ability to send a car home completely empty. Drive to work, why pay CBD parking rates if you can send the car home for the wife to use? Why combine errands when you can send your car to do them? The net result is that average vehicle occupancy will drop below 1. Can't find a parking space/ charge station? Let the car circle for hours on end.

Etc, etc.

Xist 01-08-2017 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by oldtamiyaphile (Post 525393)
The net result is that average vehicle occupancy will drop below 1. Can't find a parking space/ charge station? Let the car circle for hours on end.

When it is cheaper to pay for eight hours of gas or the equivalent electric charge, parking rates need to come down.

Taxi drivers and pizza deliveryboys (paperboys, too) do not necessarily have a good reputation. All that I hear about semi drivers is "Ugh! Why are they so slow!"

If deliveries no longer need drivers, there would be fewer people on the road, some just going to and from work, and even if the number and severity of accidents did not improve, there would be fewer people to get hurt.


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