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KROHN27 05-22-2014 11:27 AM

1995 Civic VX progress/updates/questions
 
Hey EcoModders,

I picked up this VX not long ago, and immediately started my journey to bringing it back to OEM specs.

It was very close to being all original actually, but I can tell it doesn't have the OEM plug wires. The previous owner said he had it at the shop and it was "all checked out" (whatever that means). But it drove well, everything functioned, so I decided to purchase the car.

I drove it for a couple weeks while I fixed the intermittent odo/trip gauge. I wasn't exactly focused on the MPG at this point, more just making sure the car was going to be reliable, and getting the kinks worked out.

-Put some new 175/70/13 tires on it @ 40PSI (44PSI sidewall)
-Changed the oil with Castrol 5W30 Part synthetic / New Oil Filter
-Put a new climate control in (the recirculate/fresh air button wasn't working previously)
-New air filter

At this point, the car drove well, but one morning I got in it and drove to the dealer to get a gasket for the oil cooler (leaking a little bit) and the car had a slight stumble in it under load at low RPMs.

I got the car home and pulled a plug. This is what I found.

http://i.imgur.com/Fx2bchF.jpg

I couldn't believe the car drove as well as it did with all the plugs being that bad! (they were the recommended plug for the car at least).

I put 4 new plugs in, and the car drives like a dream.

With the odo/trip working properly I got a chance to finally calculate my first tank of gas with this car, and at 48.2 MPG I was EXTREMELY pleased. I'd say it was 40% city and 60% highway as well. I can't wait to work towards that first 50+mpg tank.

I'd like to eventually get some wheel covers and maybe 35% tint to keep the heat down a bit in the car (factory no A/C). It also needs new brakes and rotors pretty bad, so that's on the list. It sits like a 4x4, so I'm looking into getting it just a tiny bit lower (maybe 1.5-2 inches). I picked up a set of eibach pro springs, just trying to decide on what struts to go with. I'm leaning towards the koni orange, which are the Koni STR.T struts. Those of you who are lowered at all, did you see any improvements in FE?

Anyway, looking forward to playing with this vehicle and learn a bit from those EcoModder veterans. :cool:

http://i.imgur.com/jtBd95X.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Jgh6z2o.jpg

Superfuelgero 05-22-2014 12:45 PM

Looks nice.

You will see a slight FE increase from lowering. Problem is 2 inches is too much at times (I was at 2.5). Without a sway bar, if you hit a bump mid-corner, it'll bottom. I've since lifted my back up. The easiest way to go slightly lower and keep a good ride, is grab the stock shocks, springs and forks off of a EF (88-91).

Oh, and can the mudflaps.

basjoos 05-22-2014 02:42 PM

Or don't lower it and concentrate on cleaning up the underside air flow with smooth underpanelling, wheel spats, side skirts, wheel boattails, and a nose shaped to lower the stagnation point to reduce the amount of air going under the car. This way you get the better mileage without the choppy ride and increased chance for striking road debris and bottoming out that you get when lowering a car.

MetroMPG 05-22-2014 04:31 PM

Nice VX! Make a garage entry and start a fuel log for your MPG numbers.

50 MPG will be easy.

Welcome to the forum!

NachtRitter 05-22-2014 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by xntrx (Post 425710)
...and can the mudflaps.

+1!

KROHN27 10-13-2014 10:15 AM

Hey all,

Just a few updates. I finally snagged a set of insight wheels locally with tires that had some decent tread. I figured i'd throw up a picture in case anyone else wanted to see what they looked like on an EG hatch! I also made a partial grille block out of some flat black aluminum I had sitting around the garage from my stock car.

I don't have a mpguino so it's a little tough to see what these things will yield me in mpg right away, but hopefully they help me out some!

http://i.imgur.com/6SEWq1P.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/yXGF86A.jpg

OG VX 10-13-2014 12:24 PM

wowsa that's clean! Love it, we need more!

If you don't mind me asking, how much did the Insight wheels run you? Happy with them so far? Notice any increase in mpg, versus VX rims? Are they heavier/lighter?

KROHN27 10-13-2014 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OG VX (Post 450166)
wowsa that's clean! Love it, we need more!

If you don't mind me asking, how much did the Insight wheels run you? Happy with them so far? Notice any increase in mpg, versus VX rims? Are they heavier/lighter?

I paid $250, the wheels aren't perfect but that's alright with me!

I think they look super cool, plus I've never seen another EG run them (besides one other on here). I literally just put them on last night so I haven't noticed any difference yet.

My VX wheels are 9.75lbs + 14.4lbs for the Champiro VP1 175 tires that were on them so that puts them at 24.15lbs

The insight wheels are 11lbs, and the bridgestone Potenza RE92 tires in the 165 size are 13lbs. That puts the insight wheels at 24lbs

The weight is negligible, but hopefully the AERO helps out a little bit.

KROHN27 11-17-2014 09:37 AM

Well I finally ran an entire tank through the Civic since the Insight wheels, bridgestone RE92s, and the partial grille block. I was able to get my best mpg ever, which was 56.77mpg the tank was probably 80% interstate driving around 65-70mpg, drafting semis from a safe distance when possible. I'm pretty happy with that outcome, but I know there is more potential. The car has Karlyn/STI plug wires, and I don't think the distributor is OEM either, I also haven't changed the fuel filter, which whether it needs it or not is always cheap insurance and can't hurt.

I have Eibach sport springs sitting in my garage, and I've been considering the Koni Orange Str.t struts to pair with them, but I'm wondering if I will see any positive effects mpg wise from getting the car closer to the ground. Anyone care to sway me one way or another?

OG VX 11-17-2014 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KROHN27 (Post 455634)
Well I finally ran an entire tank through the Civic since the Insight wheels, bridgestone RE92s, and the partial grille block. I was able to get my best mpg ever, which was 56.77mpg the tank was probably 80% interstate driving around 65-70mpg, drafting semis from a safe distance when possible. I'm pretty happy with that outcome, but I know there is more potential. The car has Karlyn/STI plug wires, and I don't think the distributor is OEM either, I also haven't changed the fuel filter, which whether it needs it or not is always cheap insurance and can't hurt.

I have Eibach sport springs sitting in my garage, and I've been considering the Koni Orange Str.t struts to pair with them, but I'm wondering if I will see any positive effects mpg wise from getting the car closer to the ground. Anyone care to sway me one way or another?

Great work sir! So glad to here about the positive progress. I bet you can get to 58 with adding a front air dam extension. I noticed much less turbulence to have to fight once I added mine.

I just installed some Eibach Sportline springs on the car this weekend. They came with used OEM shocks that were not in as good of condition as mine. I went ahead and ran them anyway, as I didn't want to fool with a spring compressor. They ride surprisingly well, even with the aged shocks. I plan to swap on my OEM shocks this coming weekend. Hoping that fixes the slightly bumpy ride and few rattles here in there. It is my understanding that with the Sportline's, you CAN run the OEM shocks, though aftermarkets are recommended, solely because they will wear out the OEM shocks over time. But, if I can eek out 15K or so out of them, while riding nice, I'll do that.

I have a 2" gap at all corners. Very happy with the Sportline height. I'll make an update post to my thread soon.

KROHN27 11-17-2014 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OG VX (Post 455652)
Great work sir! So glad to here about the positive progress. I bet you can get to 58 with adding a front air dam extension. I noticed much less turbulence to have to fight once I added mine.

I just installed some Eibach Sportline springs on the car this weekend. They came with used OEM shocks that were not in as good of condition as mine. I went ahead and ran them anyway, as I didn't want to fool with a spring compressor. They ride surprisingly well, even with the aged shocks. I plan to swap on my OEM shocks this coming weekend. Hoping that fixes the slightly bumpy ride and few rattles here in there. It is my understanding that with the Sportline's, you CAN run the OEM shocks, though aftermarkets are recommended, solely because they will wear out the OEM shocks over time. But, if I can eek out 15K or so out of them, while riding nice, I'll do that.

I have a 2" gap at all corners. Very happy with the Sportline height. I'll make an update post to my thread soon.

Thanks for the insight! Did you get your car aligned after you got them installed? I'd love to see some photos of the car with the springs on so I can really get an idea of what it would look like for me. I'm right down the road as well, maybe I can pop up to Mooresville and check it out sometime.

OG VX 11-17-2014 11:37 AM

^^ Yeah, that would be great.

Alignment, yes, I'm looking into a camber set for the fronts. Likely will install those when I swap out the shocks.

Their is a very slight pull to the right when steering now. It's not severe, and did get a bit better once the new suspension "settled".

With the "pro kit", OEM shocks and suspension geometry is not affected severe enough to justify new shocks and an alignment kit.

But, the "sportline kit" is more aggressive. I'm glad I went with it though, as I believe the Pro Kit would have been too subtle of a change to really do much of anything... Being that the VX is the lightest Civic trim, I don't think it drops as much as, say an EX model.

Ecky 11-17-2014 11:45 AM

How far off from your previous tires do you odometer and speedo read?

KROHN27 11-17-2014 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OG VX (Post 455658)
^^ Yeah, that would be great.

Alignment, yes, I'm looking into a camber set for the fronts. Likely will install those when I swap out the shocks.

Their is a very slight pull to the right when steering now. It's not severe, and did get a bit better once the new suspension "settled".

With the "pro kit", OEM shocks and suspension geometry is not affected severe enough to justify new shocks and an alignment kit.

But, the "sportline kit" is more aggressive. I'm glad I went with it though, as I believe the Pro Kit would have been too subtle of a change to really do much of anything... Being that the VX is the lightest Civic trim, I don't think it drops as much as, say an EX model.

I just realized I said that I have the sport kit, but I have the black eibach springs, which are the street kit (pro) kit, so they would sit up a little higher than the sports I'm sure. I just checked out your thread though, car looks great!

Quote:

How far off from your previous tires do you odometer and speedo read?
I really never calculated the difference with my old tires until just now. My old tires were 175/70/13 and these new tires are factory size for the insight which is 165/65/14. When my speedo says 60mph, I'm going roughly 57mph. Naturally with smaller tires, I'm going to turn slightly more RPMs but these 165's are 5.7% smaller in width, and I really think the car gets into lean burn quicker, and seems lighter on its feet.

Ecky 11-17-2014 02:16 PM

Just plugged it into a calculator, and the difference should be less than 1% optimistic with the new wheels. Fantastic that they're almost a perfect match.

KROHN27 11-17-2014 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ecky (Post 455692)
Just plugged it into a calculator, and the difference should be less than 1% optimistic with the new wheels. Fantastic that they're almost a perfect match.

Well I just went through and re-did all my trips in my fuel log since I wasn't adding the correct % with my old 175/70/13 tires. I also calculated it right for my current tires. Basically all my old mpg readings went up slightly, and my most recent trip went down slightly. From my calculations, the tires on the car now (165/65/14) are 2.9% difference from the stock (165/70/13). So every time I fill up the car and calculate based on the trip, I need to subtract 2.9% of the miles off the trip. I hope I'm doing that right.

Ecky 11-17-2014 03:26 PM

The Insight rims are 14 inches, not 70. =)

KROHN27 11-17-2014 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ecky (Post 455708)
The Insight rims are 14 inches, not 70. =)

Hahaha I fixed that, but I didn't use that as a calculating factor lol.

MetroMPG 11-17-2014 06:06 PM

nice wheels!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KROHN27 (Post 455634)
Well I finally ran an entire tank through the Civic since the Insight wheels, bridgestone RE92s, and the partial grille block. I was able to get my best mpg ever, which was 56.77mpg

Congrats!

Also: those Insight wheels look great on your car!

KROHN27 11-22-2014 09:03 AM

So in my quest to correct my mpg readings, and calculate the % difference in actual miles traveled to the trip miles, I realized I was plugging my insight wheels into the calculator as 13 inch rims and not 14 inch. Could anyone double check this for me? Using this calculator (pictured), I'm comparing the stock OEM size 165/70/13 combo with the current 165/65/14. Is the red circled number the right percentage I should be ADDING to the overall trip miles? It looks like the insight wheels and tires are just slightly larger than stock. I'm just a little confused as to why my speedo is reading off (it will say I'm going 60 when I'm actually going around 58). According to the calculator, it should be slightly the opposite.

I did replace my VSS with one of the cheap $9 ones from ebay because I was trying to fix my jumpy speedo problem. (It didn't fix it at all, actually made it worse). Could that maybe be the culprit?

http://i.imgur.com/d6pxHgs.jpg


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