2008 World Fuel Economy Championships - Scores
 

The initial scores are in and I'll try to keep the thread updated.

2008 World Fuel Economy Championships

Hypermilers currently scheduled to appear

• Al Walker (Hobbit) Boston, MA -- Winner of the NJ “Tour to the Shore – Prius Class” FE Challenge.
• Andrew McGuckin (PaleMelanesian) Longview, TX -- Recent overall winner of the 3-month Fuel Economy Challenge.
• Auston Hensley (Lamebums) Covington, KY -- Hypermiling 3-Month FE Challenge coordinator.
• Bob Winger (Bob Winger) VA -- Second highest HCH-II LMPG in the country.
• Brian Morris (BailOut) Reno, NV -- Most fuel efficient Yaris driver on the planet.
• Chuck Thomas (Delta Flyer) Dallas, TX -- Nationally known Honda Insight promoter.
• Dan Bryant (Dan) Houston, TX -- Achieved 106 mpg at the HF2007 MPG Challenge.
• Debbie Anders (DebbieKatz) Milwaukee, WI -- Recent 51 mpg tank in an FEH. Enough said.
• Jerad Parish (Locutus) Madison, WI -- Winner of the HF2007 MPG Challenge at 110 mpg.
• Jud Engles (Bestmapman) Cincinnati, OH -- Participant in the Lacey, WA MPG Rally.
• Justin Fons (Citrus Insighter) Pewaukee, WI -- Insight Marathon and HF2006 MPG Challenge participant.
• Ken Gordon (SlowHands) Elk Grove Village, IL -- 1908 to 2008 - 100th year anniversary Greatest Automobile Race reenactment participant.
• Special guest to be named later :)
• Mike Sirach (Msirach) Harrisburg, IL -- Prius, HCH-II and Insight owner
• Rani Cardona (Tarabell) Los Angeles, CA -- Wrote the book on “Basic Hypermiling Techniques for the HCH-II.”
• Sean Welch (Right Lane Cruiser) Coon Rapids, MN -- Owner/Admin CleanMPG.com.
• Wayne Gerdes (Xcel) Wadsworth, IL -- Owner/Admin CleanMPG.com.
• Wayne Bellas (GreenBlues) Camp Douglas, WI -- Owner HCH-I and Insight.
• Larry Trowbridge (Diamondlarry) Elkhart, IN -- Achieved (3) 1,000 mile + tanks in his 07 Prius.

There were more invitations extended but not all proposed drivers could participate.

First pass of scores...

The results of the first three Prius runs are:
Hobbit-118
Ken-121
Rani-97.9

The FEH:
Dan-72.1

Insight:
Justin-145.9
Andrew-150.0
Jud-144.7

I'll try to keep all the threads updated. This is a cross-post, so apologies and disclaimers for any violation of netiquette.

Cross-Posts

CleanMPG - 2008 World Fuel Economy Championships
PriusChat - World Fuel Ecomony Championships
GreenHybrid - 2008 World Fuel Economy Championships - Scores

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Nobody invited us.

Edit: To clarify, that makes me angry. Like this: :mad:

2008 World Fuel Economy Championships

I guess your not part of this world since it invite only.

Yep, I know... Sorry guys...

Sean's FEH run was 74.4
Wayne G Insight run was 1.1 L/100km or something between 205-225 MPG.

The camp grounds ( kinda ) we are at are pretty full and there was only enough time to do 20 people.

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Well, now that Wayne is the captain of the world, I guess he decides who he wants to be part of it.

How on earth or Waynes world, did he manage to pull that?? Some numbers I really wonder about

So what kinds of speeds are they driving or how long does it take to complete the 16 mile course?

You likely would have been able to jog alongside and carry on a conversation, walking for extended periods during the glides up to stops :)

Sounds like it was probably lots of fun. Nothing like deserted country roads and a warm day for eye popping numbers.

But I have to say the event title is a little overblown!

Yea sounds like a blast:rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IR4_4...eature=related

Oh, I don't know. I can see the attraction of exploring the technical fuel economy limits of a car... even if an average person could travel faster, comfortably, on a bicycle.

eh I don't know. I'd rather see something more "real world" rather than a race of who idle along longer. To me it would show more success and ability, pulling off said numbers, running the speed limit, dealing normal traffic, and under more real weather conditions rather than a perfect summer day on the back roads.

Its like driving a Jeep down a gravel road, its "off roading" and kudos for trying, but its not mud bogging, tree clawing, creek crossing, drive to the top of a mountain, off road.

It would prolly take a while, but I bet I could push an insight around the course, :p

Or a Hummer. Just think of the hype: H2 gets 60MPG when driven by the head crazy, Wayne!! You can do it too!!!

A whole new generation of hypermilers tailgating trucks on the highway and rolling over when they take turns too fast.

Who needs to push an insight. I would just tow it around the course by bicycle :)

Seriously, I think it is cool to see them push the mpg limits. I would prefer to see a highway mpg rally where they have to go above 50mph.

Truly,

hey hey, would EcoModder want to setup something like that? Make our own "world" cup. I have no idea on what kind of logistics that would entail, but everything out of cleanmpg has always been that of the super slow, why not go fast? We have a wide array of vehicles, each kind pushing some seriously cool numbers, all real world.

Everyone can come to my house one weekend and we'll call it the "2008 Universe Fuel Economy Championships." Then I'll borrow someone's insight so I can win and call myself the "Champion of the Universe"

But seriously now...

But I'm just kidding, guys and gals. Nevertheless, I think we should think about this: http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...y-ny-3052.html

Fun, real world fuel economy, eh?

Hi all,

I am a little surprised by this thread. I came over here to give an update as to what happened at the event and now think it would be better to give some insight(no pun intended) as to how it came about.

Wayne Gerdes and I came up with the idea of getting the best hypermilers in the world together to have a fuel economy championship. We were on a trip together coming back from an MPG challenge sponsored by a city. We came up with the idea that these MPG challenge events would be best if they were managed and organized by hypermilers for hypermilers. Jointly we decided then and there to organize and event. We knew that the first event would have to be small, but we had to start somewhere. This event is not run by one of the big corporations with an agenda and lots of money, it is run by hypermilers like you and me. Even so, it is an arduous undertaking, requiring months of planning, preparation and at considerable expense. Hypermilers from 3 continents were invited. As it turned out, only hypermilers from the US were able to attend. If you personally weren't invited, please don't feel slighted, the 2nd event is already in the works and will much bigger with many more categories. Our intend was not to exclude anybody, but being the first time through, we had to make some decisions. I fully expect that future events will be open to all qualified hypermilers.

It's over now, the numbers will be posted soon and we now have an event put together by hypermilers for hypermilers. In the past several years there has been a lot of MPG challenges put together. Some of which are put together without much thought. We decided to put one together that we as hypermileres organize and control. Rather then criticise our efforts, I would have expected accoladels because this was put together without the big corporations and without a commercial agenda. I often see here and other places that people are so troubled that the big corporations seem to want to control everything. Well hypermilers put this together. No money from big corporations was involved. We felt that if we as hypermilers didn't start and manage this event, some big corporation would. And I think we all know what that would be like.

As in any event, especially the first time through, it is a daunting endevour. Who to invite, what vehicles to include. What is the venue, the format, control criteria and standards. It was more complicated then you may think. There were people invited from 3 continents, Only US participants were able to come. Considerable money, time and expertise was required from all participants.

As to the title "World Fuel Ecomony Championships". Without a doubt, Wayne Gerdes lends credibiltiy to that title. At this point in time, without Wayne in attendance, it would not be the World Championships. You may not agree with this, but I challenge you to look at the final numbers when they are posted. Wayne after all coined the term hypermiling. I could list the MPG challenge wins, hypermiling clinics, local news interviews, radio spots, national covered cross country news events, cross country reenactments, auto show review, auto reviews and the list goes on. It is my opinion that Wayne has earned the right to manage and run the World Fuel Economy Championships.

So at this point I would ask you to join with us and celebrate this achievment. Start practicing your techniques. There will be more categories and many more events in the next championships.

Bestmapman -

I'm sorry if you took my comments the wrong way. Joking, I mostly was, but the sense of offense at being categorically excluded from the "World Fuel Economy Championships" does exist.

You guys truly did have great numbers. I'm sure I have neither the car nor the practice to get such numbers in that kind of driving. I have great respect for most of you, and if you haven't noticed, have always welcomed you here.

Hope there are no hard feelings, if you wanna chew me out, send me a PM, :p

-Ben

I attended the Insight challenge in Oklahoma a couple years back. I got to meet Wayne then. At the time, we had a disagreement about inter-site links, sigs, etc. I went down to talk it over, meet some FE folks, and perhaps come to some sort of compromise. On the plus side, I got to drive an Insight for the first time, learn a few techniques, and was offered lunch. I appreciate the time that folks (including Wayne) took that day to include me in the activity.

Long story short, we agreed to disagree about the Site issue, and left it at that. I soon left as CMPG as a member over the disagreement. No offense to anyone there, but the hybrid-heavy atmosphere and the lack of inter-site cooperation at the time was very frustrating.

He has, indeed, contributed quite a bit to promoting hypermiling, and is quite good at it; but, to say that you can't have the competition without him seems like a blind following, IMO.

WG gets press coverage -- plain and simple. My concern is that this type of competition will attract a negative connotation to hypermiling. It simply isn't a real-world implementation of technique. I strongly believe in including a cycle of highway speeds in either testing a vehicle or in competition. This would appeal to a wider group of people -- to reach out to more people looking to save fuel. I see that as a big part of my personal mission here.

Would you not agree that an integrated approach to multiple vehicle types, vehicle modifications, technique, and a higher-speed, challenging course, would yield a better outward acceptance? There are gasser and Diesel drivers out there that are very deserving of this kind of attention.

I'm in no way speaking on behalf of this site or its members. I am taking off my "moderator hat" and speaking as a someone who cares about this site and its members. I am here at EM because of the quality of conversation and membership, diversity of those members, their vehicles, and multiple (often new) approaches to saving fuel. This thread start seemed like a stark contrast to those ideals. I was frankly taken aback by it.

I applaud the camaraderie you have within your group, and the achievements at the competition. I just felt like it just didn't fit most of what I look for here at EcoModder; further, representation of this Site was absent -- which seemed to strike me as both odd and rather disappointing.

Those are my feelings on the topic. Also feel free to PM to discuss further. I hope you were able to hone your skills and share some information during the get-together.

Best Regards...

-Rick Harrell (RH77)

Can't we all just get along...:D

I'm really impressed with your guys' ability to pull off the competition. :)

However, I'm not a fan of proselytizing. Friendly competition is great, but I don't think it should turn into an advertising campaign. What is the value of "selling" the sport? I say keep the door open, but leave the neon signs at home.

Thanks for keeping us informed. I may sound negative, but impressive ability deserves to be noticed. It's always nice to hear about people pushing the limits of what is possible.

- LostCause

There is a reason I hardly ever post over as cmpg or gs. It mainly has to do with the general attitude and shallowness of discussed subjects.

But anyway, if I may suggest something, that would be to organize an annual meet where you invite vendors/sponsors, hold challenges and conferences, etc.

Thanks all for your responses. As in any event there are a multitude of opinions and ideas. In any event like this, you have to start somewhere. The decision was made to keep the first one small and build from there. One of the things we wanted to show was the great numbers that could be achieved. What has come out of this are two new driving techniques for Prius and FEH. They will be published shortly.

I couldn't agree more. Given the conditions we couldn't make it happen on this event, however I hope it will be a big part in future events.

Great points. I have a TDI. I wanted to include it. It wasn't to be in this event.

All good points. You're reading my mind.

Value of selling "the sport."
There is great value for "selling the sport." If a small percentage of people are made aware that whatever car they own can get: 20 mpg instead of 15 mpg, 45 mpg instead of 35 mpg, 75 mpg instead of 50 mpg: less fuel will be burned and the people will have more $$$ in their pocket to spend elsewhere, etc. It is done to help everyone drive whatever they have more efficiently.