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aerohead 06-03-2020 01:53 PM

2020 Hyundai 'Prophecy' concept
 
On page 29 of the July,2020, MOTOR TREND, are a couple of pics of their new concept.
She's a 'looker', and the author mentioned ' great lengths to minimize aero drag to maximize its range............. carefully swept-back tail to keep airflow attached as long as possible.'
There are pages of photos online.
With homage to the 911, Tesla,and M-B IAA, I'm uncertain what the drag could be. The existence of a rear spoiler suggests some aero compromise. No mirrors.
Windscreen looks like compound curvature. Small wheel arch gaps. Rear boat-tailing seems too aggressive.
She might make potential Porsche Taycan buyers take a look.
If they ever produced it, as a Hyundai partner, Canoo, BEV.

JulianEdgar 06-03-2020 05:12 PM

https://www.hyundai.com/eu/about-hyu...cept-car.html#

https://s7g10.scene7.com/is/image/hy...853&fit=wrap,1

A great example of a car that without the rear spoiler, would have a lot of lift. Lots of attached flow over that camber!

cRiPpLe_rOoStEr 06-04-2020 12:23 AM

Its interior may look quite dated, but the exterior doesn't look so bad at all for a 10-year old show-car.

JulianEdgar 06-04-2020 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr (Post 625715)
Its interior may look quite dated, but the exterior doesn't look so bad at all for a 10-year old show-car.

It's a 2020 concept car.

freebeard 06-04-2020 02:54 AM

I don't know if aerohead [as OP] can edit the thread title; it may take the mods. Worth fixing though.

The tight surface development over the rear wheel wells seems helpful for reducing the wake, compared with the 'shoulders' or 'haunches' on cars like 1967 Impala or 2010 Dodge Charger.

MeteorGray 06-05-2020 06:23 AM

Looks like they forgot to close the trunk lid.

aerohead 06-05-2020 12:11 PM

example
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JulianEdgar (Post 625687)
https://www.hyundai.com/eu/about-hyu...cept-car.html#

https://s7g10.scene7.com/is/image/hy...853&fit=wrap,1

A great example of a car that without the rear spoiler, would have a lot of lift. Lots of attached flow over that camber!

Wrong again! Keep looking.

aerohead 06-05-2020 12:30 PM

wake
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 625725)
I don't know if aerohead [as OP] can edit the thread title; it may take the mods. Worth fixing though.

The tight surface development over the rear wheel wells seems helpful for reducing the wake, compared with the 'shoulders' or 'haunches' on cars like 1967 Impala or 2010 Dodge Charger.

The car is a Jaray, Combination-form hybrid. The lower body is pure Jaray, whereas the greenhouse lacks Jaray's plan-view boat-tailing solution.
The side elevation contour is too 'fast,' exceeding 23-degrees,producing separation,vorticity, and the famous fastback downwash; like the Porsche 911. And like the 911 Carrera, uses the spoiler as a palliative to address the flow separation.
Without a true-length overhead plan-view, it's hard to know if the boat-tailing of the rear fenders exceeds what the flow can survive.
The rear slanting truncation is a lineal descendant of Alfa Romeo Zagato TZ3/ Mercedes- Benz IAA.

kach22i 06-05-2020 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MeteorGray (Post 625760)
Looks like they forgot to close the trunk lid.

Oh I see that.

Good point.

It does need that rear tray/whale tail.

I like it better than a wagon/shooting brake design, but it is not as aerodynamic because of air detachment.

aerohead 06-05-2020 01:10 PM

detachment
 
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Originally Posted by kach22i (Post 625778)
Oh I see that.

Good point.

It does need that rear tray/whale tail.

I like it better than a wagon/shooting brake design, but it is not as aerodynamic because of air detachment.

For their 2019 Genesis G70 3.3T Dynamic Edition, a small reflex at the trailing edge was all that was deemed necessary for reattachment.

JulianEdgar 06-05-2020 06:00 PM

Please note that Aerohead is here spreading his theory that rear spoilers are all about flow re-attachment. (Something that was last relevant to car shapes prior to about the mid 1980s, where early separation occurred, eg at the end of the roof.)

So that people don't get led astray, for a car of this shape, that idea is completely wrong.

cRiPpLe_rOoStEr 06-05-2020 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JulianEdgar (Post 625722)
It's a 2020 concept car.

Interesting. However that interior reminds me of some science-fiction inspirations from the '80s and '90s.

California98Civic 06-05-2020 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kach22i (Post 625778)
.... It does need that rear tray/whale tail. I like it better than a wagon/shooting brake design, but it is not as aerodynamic because of air detachment.

Yeah, good point both. I see that too. Angle is too fast, aerohead said. But the spoiler and the soap bar shape are cool looking, anyway.

freebeard 06-05-2020 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cIrO
However that interior reminds me of some science-fiction inspirations from the '80s and '90s.

Made me look.

I'm reminded of 1960s Porsche and Cal-Look VWs.
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/22/99/96/2...oundstooth.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/22/99/96/2...oundstooth.jpg

kach22i 06-06-2020 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aerohead (Post 625779)
For their 2019 Genesis G70 3.3T Dynamic Edition, a small reflex at the trailing edge was all that was deemed necessary for reattachment.

There must be a better term or description for this.

I have called "filling out the template profile" in the past.

I'd like to call it a "flicker" or "lick" because these rear Bonneville like trays flick up and lick the edge of the aero-template.

freebeard 06-06-2020 01:16 PM

Wickerbill

cRiPpLe_rOoStEr 06-09-2020 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 625822)
I'm reminded of 1960s Porsche and Cal-Look VWs.
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/22/99/96/2...oundstooth.jpg

That was a good reference. Well, since it resembles a Porsche Panamera somehow, wouldn't be so surprising to also have other elements which may seem quite Porsche-ish :D

aerohead 06-10-2020 01:36 PM

wrong
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JulianEdgar (Post 625798)
Please note that Aerohead is here spreading his theory that rear spoilers are all about flow re-attachment. (Something that was last relevant to car shapes prior to about the mid 1980s, where early separation occurred, eg at the end of the roof.)

So that people don't get led astray, for a car of this shape, that idea is completely wrong.

Proof? Are we in an anti-matter universe now?

aerohead 06-10-2020 01:46 PM

filling or 'lofting'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kach22i (Post 625844)
There must be a better term or description for this.

I have called "filling out the template profile" in the past.

I'd like to call it a "flicker" or "lick" because these rear Bonneville like trays flick up and lick the edge of the aero-template.

This would be a pretty good word. This is what Kamm/ Fachsenfeld did at FKFS to create the 'Kamm-back.' Take the low-Verjungungsverhaltnisse Jaray body and loft its aft-body up to the 'template' contour. It gives you more useful internal volume, kills separation, kills lift,to make a 'neutral' lift body.
Drag coefficient is dependent upon the Vergungungsverhaltnisse (the ratio of the length of the aft-body,divided by the body height (not the overall height of the car), presented as a ratio. The lowest drag is achieved at V = 5:1.

freebeard 06-10-2020 02:04 PM

I'm just glad the thread title gets the year [of the concept] right, now.

JulianEdgar 06-10-2020 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aerohead (Post 626041)
This would be a pretty good word. This is what Kamm/ Fachsenfeld did at FKFS to create the 'Kamm-back.' Take the low-Verjungungsverhaltnisse Jaray body and loft its aft-body up to the 'template' contour. It gives you more useful internal volume, kills separation, kills lift,to make a 'neutral' lift body.
Drag coefficient is dependent upon the Vergungungsverhaltnisse (the ratio of the length of the aft-body,divided by the body height (not the overall height of the car), presented as a ratio. The lowest drag is achieved at V = 5:1.

(My bold in the above quote.) You are spreading lies again. As anyone who doesn't subscribe to the strange theories of 'Aerohead' would immediately realise, the shape you nominate has a lot of lift. The Porsche Taycan is just the latest example - but a good one because we have data for it.

Note for people keeping track, 'Aerohead' is later in the quote again spreading misleading rules of thumb.

aerohead 06-12-2020 11:49 AM

lies
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JulianEdgar (Post 626067)
(My bold in the above quote.) You are spreading lies again. As anyone who doesn't subscribe to the strange theories of 'Aerohead' would immediately realise, the shape you nominate has a lot of lift. The Porsche Taycan is just the latest example - but a good one because we have data for it.

Note for people keeping track, 'Aerohead' is later in the quote again spreading misleading rules of thumb.

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