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redneck 09-28-2018 10:12 PM

$3 billion Hoover Dam project to turn it into a giant battery
 
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$3 billion Hoover Dam project to turn it into a giant battery storing electricity for millions of homes


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-century.html


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A $3 billion project to modernize the Hoover Dam and bring it into the 21st century has been announced by the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power.

A new pump station and 20-mile pipeline would be built downstream to regulate flow through electric generators. Water would then be pumped back to the top of the dam, creating electricity and thereby turning the dam into a source of renewable energy.

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oil pan 4 09-28-2018 10:44 PM

They can burn coal to run generators, to power pumps to refill lake mead and claim it's renewable energy when the water goes through the rurbines lol.

redpoint5 09-29-2018 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by oil pan 4 (Post 580355)
They can burn coal to run generators, to power pumps to refill lake mead and claim it's renewable energy when the water goes through the rurbines lol.

The math works like this:

You take the power output by the coal generators to move the water uphill, and then add the energy gained when the water flows back downhill, and divide by the amount of coal you burned. That's how you make clean coal!

oil pan 4 09-29-2018 12:55 PM

I just assumed there isn't going to be a lot of surplus solar or wind power at night.

Coastal wind power at night, yes, but they're no where near the coast.

fusion210 09-29-2018 02:32 PM

You guys scared me with your coal comments, then I read the thing.

It's a fascinating project.

oil pan 4 09-29-2018 03:09 PM

Notice they didn't say what kind of power was going to be used to pump water back into lake mead.
The dam doesn't operate at 20% because of too much water going down stream, it operates at 20% capacity because they need the water more than they need the power and there isn't as much water coming into the dam due to up stream demands and less than desirable rain fall.

gone-ot 09-29-2018 03:52 PM

The H20 dipstick is reading low at Lake Mead...and has been for years.

wdb 09-29-2018 05:16 PM

Bring water back from space with rockets!

gone-ot 09-29-2018 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by wdb (Post 580417)
Bring water back from space with rockets!

One well-placed comet could solve MANY problems (wink,wink).

oil pan 4 09-29-2018 07:01 PM

We get water from space every day, from the sun. Well we get hydrogen from the sun and it combines with oxygen in the upper atmosphere and falls to earth.

gone-ot 09-29-2018 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by oil pan 4 (Post 580422)
We get water from space every day, from the sun. Well we get hydrogen from the sun and it combines with oxygen in the upper atmosphere and falls to earth.

I believe you have "how rain" occurs mixed with the 'birds & bees' parable.

oil pan 4 09-29-2018 08:40 PM

Nope, it's called the star water theory.

gone-ot 09-29-2018 10:35 PM

But, until that "theory" is proven--nope! That would mean that upper ozone mixing with hydrogen would "light" the sky with their combustion and produce hydrogen peroxide rain...ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha.

Rain is condensate collected and formed around a dust/bug particle nuclei.

oil pan 4 09-29-2018 11:25 PM

Just like man made global warming still a hypothesis/theory.

The sky did light up with hydrogen in 774AD when solar particles entered the atmosphere, most of the material was individual protons. Take a proton, add one electron which the upper atmosphere has plenty of and you get hydrogen. Or add a positively charged proton to negatively charged O2 and what do you get?

The upper "ozone" is something like 1 or 2% O3. Some hydrogen peroxide could be formed but it would decompose quick to water and oxygen.
The hydrogen hits the earth as hydrogen plasma or protons, it's not even diatomic hydrogen until the protons aquire an electron and find each other. But the protons are more likely to find them selves O2 with an extra electron.


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