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whatmaycome14 10-16-2015 01:14 PM

Aerodynamics should benefit BOTH Top Speed and MPG, right?
 
Hey guys, just wanted to make sure my line of thinking was correct. By improving the aerodynamics of the vehicle to get better MPG, we should in theory be able to have a higher top speed as well, right?

Are there other variables that I'm not considering?

jamesqf 10-16-2015 01:49 PM

Not necessarily. If you have a really overpowered vehicle, the top speed is limited by the engine redline and gearing.

PaleMelanesian 10-16-2015 04:50 PM

But even in that case it will improve the time to reach top speed.

user removed 10-16-2015 05:17 PM

Reducing the aero drag will increase top speed and mpg, all other factors being equal.

regards
mech

IamIan 10-16-2015 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whatmaycome14 (Post 496693)
Are there other variables that I'm not considering?

Lift

F1 cars intentionally use additional aerodynamic drag in order to produce negative lift .. ie keep the car pressed firmly down against the road .. In that case reduced aerodynamic drag would reduce the aerodynamic down force they normally design into the the vehicle .. soo they have to compromise between desire for less wind resistance to move forward against ... vs .. also the desire for more down force pressing the car against the road.

(plus everything everyone else already said as well)

As they say ... use the right tool for the job .. sometimes .. in some contexts .. intentionally designed increased aerodynamic drag can be a net performance benefit .. but it isn't always so in all contexts.

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Also for 'other variables' ... is there any 'cost' to reducing the aerodynamic drag ?... like increasing the weight , etc .. That will depend on the method used to reduce the aerodynamic drag .. A boat tail will add weight for example ... + & - ... if more + it's a net benefit.

Thenorm 10-16-2015 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IamIan (Post 496734)
Lift

F1 cars intentionally use additional aerodynamic drag in order to produce negative lift .. ie keep the car pressed firmly down against the road .. In that case reduced aerodynamic drag would reduce the aerodynamic down force they normally design into the the vehicle .. soo they have to compromise between desire for less wind resistance to move forward against ... vs .. also the desire for more down force pressing the car against the road.

(plus everything everyone else already said as well)

As they say ... use the right tool for the job .. sometimes .. in some contexts .. intentionally designed increased aerodynamic drag can be a net performance benefit .. but it isn't always so in all contexts.
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right. gotta keep it stable at speed or you crash like this land speed record Insight
http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...mph-27588.html

deejaaa 10-17-2015 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IamIan (Post 496734)
Lift

F1 cars intentionally .....

I seriously doubt he will be trading his car for an F1. speeds above a certain part play into "lift" but normal cars needn't worry.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thenorm (Post 496747)
right. gotta keep it stable at speed

again, highly doubtful speeds will reach 190.
I am pretty sure he is asking about a passenger car at highway speeds.

jamesqf 10-17-2015 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deejaaa (Post 496772)
I am pretty sure he is asking about a passenger car at highway speeds.

No, the OP specifically asked about TOP speed. I don't think there are many modern (say the last 40-50 years) that don't have top speeds well in excess of highway speeds - German autobahns excluded, of course :-)

aerohead 10-17-2015 02:13 PM

top speed / mpg
 
If you have an actual drag-limited top speed,where the engine is actually at redline,then,with proper gearing,according to Hucho,a 30% drag reduction will equate to about a 10% increase in top speed at redline.
If re-geared,my T-100 would have done 111-mph.
Now,with the streamlining package she's good for 125-mph.
And + 9-mpg on the highway.
http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/...ntitled1-4.jpg
http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/...ohead2/100.jpg
http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/...ntitled2-4.jpg
http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/...ad2/12-066.jpg
http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/...ad2/12-064.jpg
http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/...ad2/12-065.jpg

JRMichler 10-17-2015 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whatmaycome14 (Post 496693)
Hey guys, just wanted to make sure my line of thinking was correct. By improving the aerodynamics of the vehicle to get better MPG, we should in theory be able to have a higher top speed as well, right?

Short answer: yes.
AND you improve acceleration at higher speeds.
AND you improve speed and acceleration when driving into a strong headwind.


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