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Hugh Jim Bissel 06-18-2009 02:54 AM

Aftermarket Cruise Control, AKA Hand Throttle.
 
I'd like to thank you all for coming on this suspicious occasion..... May I present my very first mod!

Disclaimer: Since they seem to be releasing newer, more updated idiots every day, this mod cannot be made idiot-proof. Therefore, this is presented as documentation of a mod I have done. If you do it yourself and it causes you to crash your car and you break your legs don't come running after me!

The victim in question is a 95 Corolla with no cruise control. A week from today I will be traveling from Texas to Missouri and Michigan. Since I have made this trip before in this car, my right leg was already beginning to cramp in anticipation!

Step one: I found a bike from which I removed a gear shifter. (and other misc parts which were used)
http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-hu...donor-bike.jpg

2: I removed console and panel under steering wheel (and whatever else needed to be removed to remove those!)
http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-hu...-car-parts.jpg

3: Mounted the shifter to the shifter :D
http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-hu...st-fitting.jpg

4: What could be the purpose of that bracket next to the shifter, I hear you ask? Why thats the perfect location to mount a toggle switch which will eventually become a kill/start switch (as soon as I get a round toit)
http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-hu...ook-switch.jpg

5: Routed the cable from the shifter towards the gas pedal: taped it securely to the shifter and various places along the way, also added tape in potential wear areas.
http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-hu...le-routing.jpg

6: Found a mounting point under the steering wheel near the gas pedal
http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-hu...ing-column.jpg

7: Created a bracket to which the cable will mount, placing the cable relatively square on with the gas pedal, since the cable will be pulling on the upper end of the pedal. Also, created an attachment point on the pedal so I can adjust the slack in the cable.
http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-hu...ion-view-2.jpg

8: Once it's all hooked up try it with the engine off: make sure the pedal goes back up when the hand throttle is returned to the "off" position.

9: reinstalled interior. Pondered origin of excess screws (seen in console) :D
http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-hu...ed-shifter.jpg

10: Test in driveway and played with it until it worked right. At first cable didn't have enough slack, and engine ran @ 2000rpm with throttle off.
2nd test with more slack: after using hand throttle engine didn't return completely to idle unless gas pedal was tapped.
3rd test: more slack. Engine returned to idle after using hand throttle.

11: Road test! Works quite nicely. It's positioned low enough to be out of the way for shifting, but is right at hand.
http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-hu...d-throttle.jpg

The picture makes it look as if the switch sticks out far, but it also in a very comfortable location. Now all it needs is to be wired up! (probably not till after the trip though)

12: Issues: Both the hand throttle (in off position) and the switch touch the cupholder (extends out just below the large opening) when the shifter is in 1st, 3rd, and 5th gears. I haven't tried driving with the cupholder open yet. shifting in the driveway with it open seems to be ok.

The range of motion of the throttle lever is quite large (150deg?), but the usable area is quite small. The engine dosn't come off idle until the 3rd click, and highway cruising at 70mph was about 7 clicks (abt 1/3rd of total motion).

The previously mentioned clicks are a bit loud.

I had a vague idea of how it could "cancel" when the brake or clutch was pressed, but decided for simplicity sake to just get it working first. I'd like to eventually go back and make that happen, as well as change the ratio to allow finer adjustments for the same motion.

But that's all for another day. Even if it can be improved, it works as it stands, and will be light years better than nothing for my trip.:thumbup:

Daox 06-18-2009 08:33 AM

Interesting mod. You'll have to let us know how it works out on your long trip. :)

Intrigued 06-18-2009 09:29 AM

Neat! Pictures of all the gorey details... and no apparent blood! :D Two points for surgical efficiency... extra parts for the next job!!! :p

I'll have to check that out when you are at the Missouri point of your trip. Wiring in a kill switch is something I need to investigate for future less-idiot-proof mods myself! :turtle:

stevet47 06-18-2009 12:01 PM

As long as you can get the speed dialed in correct on the highway, this should be better than cruise control for FE, since it is a fixed throttle position, it is DWL for you.

Hugh Jim Bissel 06-18-2009 09:01 PM

I'll definitely have a followup once I'm back home. So far I'm liking it!

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Nope, no blood sacrifices to the car gods; I'll have to try harder next time! :D

I'm ready to have a kill switch too; I've been wanting to do it for awhile, when I was mounting the hand throttle that seemed to be the perfect place for the switch. Now I've gotta follow through and figure out how and where to wire it in, and probably will have to get (read "buy") a relay. (the switch I bought 10 yrs ago for a project, and had sitting around, the rest was free) I've got a repair book with wiring diagrams, just gotta find the right place in the diagram (easy) and find that place on the car (maybe not so easy). The start switch should be no problem; even though I'll have to tear the inside apart, the 2nd time will be faster since it's familiar ground.

The plan right now has me headed to KC for the meet on the 27th, so you'll get to see it 1st hand.:thumbup:

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I've never really liked the way cruise control worked, especially in vehicles with auto trans. When I'm driving a vehicle with cruise once I start getting into hills most of the time I'll turn the cruise off anyway to keep it from upshifting and/or going full throttle.

Intrigued 06-18-2009 10:36 PM

Relays!!!
 
Hey, I have a dozen or so relays sitting around somewhere! (I NEVER throw anything away... :D)

...must make note to self to dig out a couple of relays...

I'm with you on the cruise control kicking down the tranny a couple of gears and going full-throttle. Had mine do that as I passed by a Highway Patrolman once... :eek:

...must make note to self to dig out a couple of relays... :o

Hugh Jim Bissel 06-21-2009 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Intrigued (Post 110729)
Hey, I have a dozen or so relays sitting around somewhere! (I NEVER throw anything away... :D)

...must make note to self to dig out a couple of relays...

I'm with you on the cruise control kicking down the tranny a couple of gears and going full-throttle. Had mine do that as I passed by a Highway Patrolman once... :eek:

...must make note to self to dig out a couple of relays... :o

Sweet! I'm thinking It'll need to be a Double Pole relay: where it has a live contact when it's closed, as well as when it's open, since it looks like I'll only want to break the circuit I'm cutting into during the short times I push the "kill switch" and energize the relay.

Hey, don't forget to make a note to yourself to dig out a couple of relays :D

I don't throw anything away either (as evidenced by the 10 yr old switch) and find it hard to resist rescuing something that someone else is throwing away. Kind of funny, at work I've been helping replace the HVAC controllers in one of the buildings and running new wire between them. The only reason I haven't brought that old wire home with me is because I still have the large majority of the wire I took home from the LAST time I helped rewire that same building's HVAC controllers! :eek:

Christ 06-21-2009 11:45 PM

The last time I did something like this, it was a hand controlled throttle built from a bike's brake handle. (I drive with one hand on the shifter most times, except if I'm racing.)

Obviously, it required a slightly heavier spring on the throttle, but I set it up with a cable clamp that just made it pull on the accelerator pedal's cable, instead of changing the throttle cam on the throttle body.

I got so good at driving with it, I could drive with no feet after starting from a stop, by using the hand throttle and speed matching my upshifts and downshifts.

Intrigued 06-22-2009 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christ (Post 111357)
...I got so good at driving with it, I could drive with no feet after starting from a stop, by using the hand throttle and speed matching my upshifts and downshifts.

Hey, Christ! That sounds a lot like some of the disabled mechanisms I have looked at over the years! I came mighty close to needing something like that, but the doctor and therapist finally cleared me for automatic trans driving. My left foot just has too much nerve damage... :-(

Hugh Jim: DPDT relay, complete with schematic impressed into the case, IN HAND!!! I have no idea where it came from... it's been a lot longer than 10 years, since it was in '99 I got hurt. I think it is a headlamp relay. I hope the silly thing works... *worried face*

Hugh Jim Bissel 06-22-2009 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Intrigued (Post 111427)
Hugh Jim: DPDT relay, complete with schematic impressed into the case, IN HAND!!!

Oops, I meant I need a double throw, probably only need single pole, but better to have a double and need a single, rather than the other way round!

Schematic on the case?!? What are you trying to do, spoil me?!? :D

Anything I can bring you in exchange?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christ (Post 111357)
...speed matching my upshifts and downshifts.

I've tried this on most of the manual trans cars I've owned, and never been all that good at matching the speeds with the throttle. I did have an 89? Dodge Shadow that I didn't need to manually match speeds: just give the stick a touch of pressure and get the engine headed in the right direction. When the gear and engine speeds met it'd drop right into gear with no grinding. I could do that in some of my other cars (all Toyotas) with some degree of success, but it was too easy for them to grind if I didn't do it right, so I just didn't do it. Guess I got spoiled by the Shadow's transmission since it was my 2nd car, and I think the first in which I tried clutchless shifting.

That was one of the two things I missed when I upgraded from that car: the other was it was a hatchback (masquerading as a sedan). Looked just like a sedan, but the trunk lid and back glass were connected and hinged at the top of the glass. So easy to load my bike. :thumbup:

Oh, to return to the topic of the thread, the hand throttle has been working good. No problems shifting with the cup holder out. However, when I have some time I definitely want to work out a clutch/brake cancel, and "gear it down" for more sensitivity. As it is, I've taken to keeping a hand on it when I'm using it to make sure I don't forget to shut it off when I need to slow down. It's also a bit hard to pick and set a speed (though a lot of that is due to the highway being very inconsistent in slope).

Hugh Jim Bissel 07-08-2009 12:19 AM

Finally found the thread/post that inspired me to do this after looking at the posted link and googling like projects:

Cruise Control Thread

I made it back to Dallas in one piece, and my right leg was very happy! It looks as if I'll be selling the car soon, so probably no brake/clutch cancel like I wanted to. I'll mention what I was thinking of trying for that in case anyone wants to try the project for themselves. Since I didn't have a cancelation system, I found myself turning it off and using the accelerator many times when I was in traffic or close behind other vehicles.

I ended up adjusting it for hills to keep my speed within about a 10mph range. With the exception of my side trip to the Kansas City meetup I had at least one other person in the vehicle with me for each leg of the trip, so even though my vehicle mileage may fall a little short (majority of the driving was at 5 over, or 75mph:eek:), my pmpg (people miles per gallon) shouldn't be to bad. :D

After getting used to it, even the short travel wasn't a big deal. If I was going to redo it anyway to put in a clutch/brake cancel I'd probably gear it down, but it worked quite well how it was.

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Thoughts on brake/clutch canceling: The bike shifter cable runs inside a tube. The end of the tube is held by the bracket, but there is a hole allowing the cable to move and pull on the accelerator arm by the cable which goes to the throttle. My plan was to have a key shaped hole in the bracket. When the cable is placed in the slot, the tube is stopped by the sides of the bracket and the cable can pull on the accelerator. When the brakes/clutch are pressed a cable or lever from the brake and clutch pedals pulls the tube to the large end of the keyhole where the tube pulls through the bracket, releasing the tension on the accelerator.

The main issues would be:
A: Having tension on the tube so when the clutch/brake and the hand throttle are released the tube will slide back through the bracket and into the narrow part of the keyhole slot (resetting for hand throttle use after canceling).
B: Figuring out the connections between the clutch/brake levers and the tube, to allow full range motion of the clutch/brake while moving the tube within the beginning of the range of motion, without moving it too far.

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Since it looks like I'll be selling this car soon, there is a very good chance I'll be removing this from this car and not installing it on my new car (since it has "real" cruise control:D). I have an idea that I'll be bringing up in the previously linked thread as a "cruise control mod", and I'll probably attempt that once I'm in possession of my new car.

If anyone is interested in doing this mod for themselves I'd be happy to trade ideas, photos and sketches to give you the most help I can in creating an new and improved version.:thumbup:

Intrigued 07-08-2009 12:42 AM

It's good to hear that you made it back home from the trip/meetup in one piece! :D

It sounds as if the car deal that you talked about at the meet is going to happen. Even with cruise on the car, a mechanical throttle setup would help with DWL situations when driving an automatic like mine.

Which reminds me... I still need to get over to the Successes thread and post about how I did on my trip tank... :o

metroschultz 07-08-2009 12:50 AM

I have an old throttle lever for a lawnmower, still in its plastic.
I bet that would work out as well as yours did.
Gonna try it soon.
Thanx for the idea.

Tango Charlie 07-08-2009 09:27 AM

This has been on my "want to do" list for a while. Thanks for the pictures and feedback! :thumbup:

Daox 07-08-2009 09:47 AM

Something like this would be perfect for the Prius technique called super highway mode. You position the pedal at a specific spot and leave it there for 90+ mpg. You usually have to pulse back up to speed after a while, but getting back into that specific pedal position with some sort of device would certainly be very useful.

Hugh Jim Bissel 07-09-2009 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by metroschultz (Post 114362)
I have an old throttle lever for a lawnmower, still in its plastic.
I bet that would work out as well as yours did.
Gonna try it soon.
Thanx for the idea.

Be sure to post pics!:thumbup:

The biggest unknown going in was how and where to mount the bracket. Until you get under your dash and see what mounting options you have you can't do any design and fabrication (other than for mounting the lever). Until I found those bolts by the steering column I thought I was going to have a bracket attached near the center console.

One thing I'd probably change if I was moving it to a different vehicle, is the direction the lever moves. I mounted it so the lever is forward when off, with the thought that it would be in a natural position to easily turn off as I moved my hand quickly to it. I probably would mount it the other way round next time: where the lever is backward and is moved forward to increase throttle. Seems to make more sense, I guess thats like an airplane throttle? (I've never flown a plane before, so I'm not sure why I'd think that :D)

metroschultz 07-09-2009 08:38 AM

I'm not sure
 
of the levers orientation.
Forward or reverse for acceleration.
I will have to look at that as I put it in the car.

Do you find it easier to pull back quickly to release your throttle?
Is that what I am hearing in your last post?

I hadn't thought of that either.
I am certain there are issues I will need to work out.
The first one being if the unit I have is still usable.
I found it 2 weeks ago while cleaning the garage.
Covered in dust and looking like a relic from the past.
In its cardboard and plastic bubble packaging it appears to be fine.
But in my garage for 8 years it may be rusted solid.

I'll post pics and detail when I am done.
TTFN

Tango Charlie 07-09-2009 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh Jim Bissel (Post 114606)
... moved forward to increase throttle. Seems to make more sense, I guess thats like an airplane throttle? (I've never flown a plane before, so I'm not sure why I'd think that :D)

You're right, HJB. Airplane throttles (and mixture controls) are moved forward to increase. Therefore the phrase, "Firewall the throttle".
However, since it's more than likely you'll be the only one operating the thing, put it in however it makes sense to YOU. I've seen more than one guy set up their R/C model airplanes so that pushing forward on the stick gave UP elevator, the direct opposite of the 'normal' way. It sure makes for some excitement when they let someone else try out their plane, though! :D

Hugh Jim Bissel 07-09-2009 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by metroschultz (Post 114635)
Do you find it easier to pull back quickly to release your throttle?
Is that what I am hearing in your last post?

I haven't had it installed any other way than how it is now (forward off). When I first started using it it just seemed like having it the other way round might be more natural. Though since it's something new no matter how it's put in, a bit of use will help it be more natural no matter how it's installed, like Tango Charlie was saying.

If it was moving a greater distance than I might be more inclined to change it, but since the lever is about horizontal when off, and cruising is about 60* up from that (with the first 30* or so just taking up slack) it's more like pushing down than forward.

Tango Charlie, I know what you mean about setting stuff up differently, the very few times I play halo (1st person shooter) at a friends I have to totally reconfigure the controls: and it's more than just reversing stuff since I'm a southpaw. I don't and haven't played much of that type of game, but from the little I have, I've gotten used to a different controller layout than my friends are used to: to the point that without reconfiguring I'm completely inept, instead of just mostly inept!:D

Intrigued, Nothing's certain except death and taxes and the car's not in front of the house with the keys and title in my hand yet, but it looks like a done deal. My parents are using it in St. Louis until the end of the month, and then some friends will bring it down on their way back from vacation. I'll have to start an intro/build thread once I get it (and take some pics). Then I'll have to start looking into getting a Scanguage!:thumbup:

Hugh Jim Bissel 08-04-2009 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh Jim Bissel (Post 114753)
Intrigued, Nothing's certain except death and taxes and the car's not in front of the house with the keys and title in my hand yet, but it looks like a done deal. My parents are using it in St. Louis until the end of the month, and then some friends will bring it down on their way back from vacation. I'll have to start an intro/build thread once I get it (and take some pics). Then I'll have to start looking into getting a Scanguage!:thumbup:

Well as of an hour ago I have a title, keys, and a car to keep my Corolla company; so it's officially a done deal! Give me a few days to take some pics, then I'll start a "what have I gotten myself into" thread.:eek:


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