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sallen 11-01-2016 08:28 AM

Air dam or no dam - and height?
 
Morning all,

I just got my new car and it does 20mpg (US) - so, improvement is required!

I want to add an air dam on the front, but the front is not a consistent height. The bottom lip of the bumper is divided into thirds.

The outer two thirds have a ride height of 20cm (7.9in) and the centre third is higher at 24cm (9.4in).

Now, I wonder whether the centre third being higher is actually helping air get under the centre of the car at a lower pressure (and so less drag).

I also wonder whether an air dam going as low as I can 10cm or less, depending on local roads. is the answer?

ChazInMT 11-01-2016 08:34 AM

The less air under your car, and the more air you can get to go around the sides, the better. Over the top of the car is 2nd best, with sides being preferred. Can you post a picture of what you're talking about? Preferably at about ground level around a foot above looking at the spoiler area in question.

Ecky 11-02-2016 01:00 PM

In the simplest terms, total drag is coefficient of drag (Cd) times area (A). The underside of a car is very aerodynamically dirty, and an air dam increases frontal area (A) to direct air away from the underside, significantly improving the coefficient of drag (Cd). A belly pan can reduce Cd without increasing area. I imagine the less air going under the car the better, but it might not actually work out that way on some vehicles with huge ground clearance.

BamZipPow 11-02-2016 06:54 PM

Sometimes, manufacturers design things just to look sporty so it will influence the buyers in buying the vehicle. Look at the rear diffuser designs on modern sedans as an example. ;)

oldtamiyaphile 11-02-2016 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sallen (Post 526033)
The outer two thirds have a ride height of 20cm (7.9in) and the centre third is higher at 24cm (9.4in).

Now, I wonder whether the centre third being higher is actually helping air get under the centre of the car at a lower pressure (and so less drag).

IIRC the Opel Calibra which had a very low drag for it's time had such a set up (0.27cd?).

Perhaps @Aerohead can explain, otherwise I'll check if Hucho says anything about it.

oldtamiyaphile 11-03-2016 08:37 PM

Hucho says Opel saved 0.003CD by cutting a ~930mm section from the centre of the Calibra airdam. Drag increased either side of this.

Hucho doesn't seem to go into detail as to the hows and whys of this.

Vman455 11-03-2016 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by oldtamiyaphile (Post 526225)
Hucho says Opel saved 0.003CD by cutting a ~930mm section from the centre of the Calibra airdam. Drag increased either side of this.

Hucho doesn't seem to go into detail as to the hows and whys of this.

He does a little:
-"Apparently, by the former measure [the cutout in the airdam] the obliqueness of the flow to the front wheels was attenuated."
-"The central cutout in the spoiler may improve the flow at the end of the underbody, so that a diffuser can work more effectively."

freebeard 11-04-2016 02:30 AM

Consider also that a spat shielding the front of the tires is beneficial, but too low a center results in 'high-centering' on dirt and gravel.

sallen 11-04-2016 07:22 AM

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Thanks, so I guess I will have to test and see. I've measured up the length of plastic requred and will see if that matches my donor bumper, it's from a smaller car so maybe I'll have to patch it together at the ends or somthing.

@ChazInMT I've attached a picture as you asked. It's probably a Calibra-esque shape as it's from the same styling era.

I should also say that spats are factory-fitted in front of the front and rear wheels on this car.

aerohead 11-05-2016 03:58 PM

centre
 
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Originally Posted by oldtamiyaphile (Post 526225)
Hucho says Opel saved 0.003CD by cutting a ~930mm section from the centre of the Calibra airdam. Drag increased either side of this.

Hucho doesn't seem to go into detail as to the hows and whys of this.

A guess would be that the sides are acting as 'spats',limiting air access to the tires and hour-glass belly openings.
I don't have any specific data.
The other thing is that when you enter a driveway from the street at an angle,the reduced center height of the airdam may protect it from a ground strike when going over the vertical apex of the driveway ramp.A practical concession.

freebeard 11-05-2016 04:25 PM

Tell me about it. Gas stations are the worst (looking at you, Kelso WA). Here's an Italian car leaving my favorite gas station in Cedar Flat, OR. — flat asphalt right up to the pumps. Just dodge that 4" high manhole cover.
http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-fr...errari-458.jpg
(The light plane fuselage in the left rear belongs to a guy that used to own a KC-97, and who wants to drop it on a car chassis


Morelli used a similar strategy on his 'banana car', both laterally and longitudinally.

morningglory 11-28-2016 05:41 PM

Isn't a good rule of thumb for airdams to have them the same depth as the lowest part of the car's underneath?

freebeard 11-28-2016 08:44 PM

For the most part. As an example, my car has a tow hook that is 1.5" lower than any other part.

kach22i 11-30-2016 07:42 AM

I did a quick search for a similar project and found this for reference.

HOW TO:
Fit a C43 AMG front bumper skin to a W202

HOWTO: Fit a C43 AMG front bumper & fogs W202 - MBWorld.org Forums
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...HERTZ/fit1.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...HERTZ/fit3.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...HERTZ/fit8.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...ERTZ/fit23.jpg

I have no idea why the size difference in that second to last photo.

The caption reads:
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For those who are new to W202s, this is a good shot showning the differences in the standard facelift bumper agaist a C43 AMG bumper.
I find it interesting that the stock bumper/spoiler has splitter chimes on it, but the AMG does not, and may act as wheel spats at the far ends thereby allowing more air flow under the vehicle body at the middle.

I suspect AMG enhances the already impressive stock partial belly pan so that the extra flow is managed somehow.

I suspect the AMG bumper/spoiler is deeper and lower than the stock one.

I have no data on the AMG verses stock Cd or CdA, just looking a pictures for reference.

aerohead 12-03-2016 01:22 PM

same depth
 
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Originally Posted by morningglory (Post 528041)
Isn't a good rule of thumb for airdams to have them the same depth as the lowest part of the car's underneath?

Hucho cautioned us not to add frontal area.But in published literature we can find 'exceptions to the rule',even with the 1974 Crisis Fighter Pinto,as MetroMPG reminds us.

freebeard 12-06-2016 01:17 PM

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This depends on the car and to the interests of customers.
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