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aerohead 01-05-2019 03:59 PM

America finally gets a 1-passenger commute
 
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The Canadian, Electra Mechanica' SOLO is on the market in California.
An enclosed,3-wheel,100-mile range, EV,for a little over $15,000.
It has a Cd 0.24 body,a little better than Ford and VWs offerings as concepts in the 1980s,but SOLO is 'real',unlike Aptera,Edison VLC-2,and others.
California allows SOLO to use the H.O.V. lanes.It has a full roll-cage.
I'll have mine with a full-tadpole trailer,thank you very much!:thumbup:

https://electrameccanica.com/solo/


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rmay635703 01-05-2019 04:44 PM

As dumb as it may seem half my trips (especially longer ones) have a passenger

I had hoped an elio like 2 inline seater would have come out

Ah well too bad so sad but an interesting single passenger.

If I had lots of room to have a heard of cars I might add one for fun

Too bad the tax credit is only $1500

redpoint5 01-05-2019 05:02 PM

Seats half as many people as my motorcycle and costs 1.5x more. Then there’s the fact that a person could buy a used Spark EV for $9k and a Leaf for even less.

Maybe they’ll sell 100.

rmay635703 01-05-2019 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redpoint5 (Post 587819)
Seats half as many people as my motorcycle and costs 1.5x more. Then there’s the fact that a person could buy a used Spark EV for $9k and a Leaf for even less.

Maybe they’ll sell 100.

You’ve gotta admire its efficiency though

But you always want more, different strokes for different folks

ennored 01-05-2019 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redpoint5 (Post 587819)
Seats half as many people as my motorcycle and costs 1.5x more. Then there’s the fact that a person could buy a used Spark EV for $9k and a Leaf for even less.

Maybe they’ll sell 100.

My sister got a 2015 Spark EV with 6000 miles for just over $10K. Heck of a deal compared to anything else comparable.

Stubby79 01-06-2019 02:10 AM

Wait a few years and you'll be able to buy one of these for $5k used. Apples and oranges comparing anything used to the price of something new.

oil pan 4 01-06-2019 03:46 AM

I don't buy new.

BamZipPow 01-06-2019 05:00 AM

https://electrameccanica.com/solo/

slowmover 01-06-2019 05:13 AM

Just the vehicle for TrigglyPuff.

Stubby79 01-06-2019 06:24 AM

Are they classified as a motorcycle or as a passenger vehicle down there in cali? Fingers crossed they dont classify them as motorcycles up here...whats the point of a commuter car for the masses if the masses need to go get a motorcycle license to drive one?

Frank Lee 01-06-2019 06:36 AM

The styling is unfortunate but otherwise it's a good thing.

Angel And The Wolf 01-06-2019 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stubby79 (Post 587866)
Are they classified as a motorcycle or as a passenger vehicle down there in cali? Fingers crossed they dont classify them as motorcycles up here...whats the point of a commuter car for the masses if the masses need to go get a motorcycle license to drive one?

In Texas, they are motorcycles. Getting a motorcycle license just needs you to show you can ride, or drive, one. Should be able to take the test in a SOLO.

M_a_t_t 01-06-2019 11:05 AM

In Indiana it would be a car, or the very least an "autocycle". Because it has a seat belt and a steering wheel with pedals for controls.

Stubby79 01-06-2019 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Angel And The Wolf (Post 587876)
In Texas, they are motorcycles. Getting a motorcycle license just needs you to show you can ride, or drive, one. Should be able to take the test in a SOLO.

They make us jump through hoops, and pay through the nose for testing, paperwork, etc.

redpoint5 01-06-2019 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stubby79 (Post 587881)
They make us jump through hoops, and pay through the nose for testing, paperwork, etc.

Come down to WA state and get licensed there. Probably only costs $125 or so. A German exchange student got licensed in the States because he said it was $1000 in Germany.

rmay635703 01-06-2019 09:49 PM

https://ecomodder.com/forum/showthre...now-34160.html

Now the important stuff

How many WTHRs per mile?
Graph?
At what speed?

freebeard 01-06-2019 10:08 PM

The Torfino is $50K but the eRoadster is $124K? For a fiberglass 356 with a UQM motor and Lithium-ion batteries? Air-conditioning is optional? :confused:

Quote:

I'll have mine with a full-tadpole trailer,thank you very much! :thumbup:
http://members.modernvespa.net/kam/uploads/pav_282.gif
http://modernvespa.com/forum/topic26278

iikhod 01-07-2019 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rmay635703 (Post 587908)
https://ecomodder.com/forum/showthre...now-34160.html

Now the important stuff

How many WTHRs per mile?
Graph?
At what speed?

Or the even more important stuff, will it drift?
I'd like to see someone test the "fun factor" of that thing.

samwichse 01-07-2019 10:29 AM

RWD in a reverse trike is going to make for some exciting accidents for people coming from front wheel drive sedans.

I'm just imagining someone on a sharp curve (exit ramp?) in wet conditions touching the accelerator and the back end coming totally loose. I guarantee this little guy has no ESC.

It REALLY needs front wheel drive for mass market acceptance.

redpoint5 01-07-2019 11:36 AM

Traction control would be super easy to implement. You only need wheel RPM to be measured independently, and if the rear is spinning faster than the front, reduce power.

Angel And The Wolf 01-07-2019 12:30 PM

Often, a reverse trike will have a double wide rear tire to give both ends the same grip. Front wheel drive is better, but more complex and expensive.

freebeard 01-07-2019 12:50 PM

You may be able to implement traction control on a single drive wheel, but with front-wheel drive there is an opportunity for torque vectoring. The SOLO's competitor has that.

Angel And The Wolf 01-07-2019 01:00 PM

There is also the Twin Tire option. Twice the shoulder grip in turns. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp2XM_Yocug

Angel And The Wolf 01-07-2019 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 587951)
You may be able to implement traction control on a single drive wheel, but with front-wheel drive there is an opportunity for torque vectoring. The SOLO's competitor has that.

Is there another full bodied single seat electric commuter trike?

rmay635703 01-07-2019 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redpoint5 (Post 587937)
Traction control would be super easy to implement. You only need wheel RPM to be measured independently, and if the rear is spinning faster than the front, reduce power.

You could still skid which would mean no brakes on the rear and 1 brake on the front side in the direction of the skid, not sure how well it works though.

redpoint5 01-07-2019 02:30 PM

I'd probably not even build brakes on the rear wheel. As others have pointed out, you can engineer the traction such that the rear has approximately the same traction as the front in neutral corners (not accelerating or braking).

I've said it before though; I don't see a point in building trikes because the small savings is not worth the lower utility, lower safety, and worse handling characteristics. Having a tire in the center of the car intrudes into the interior volume, and presents a 3rd line of travel on the road which is not kept clear of debris from other vehicles like the other 2 lines of travel.

kach22i 01-08-2019 10:39 AM

I think the Solo's looks and aerodynamics are better thought out than earlier competitors.

They have higher aspirations too.

March 2017
Electra Meccanica Tofino promises electric twist on the classic roadster
https://newatlas.com/electra-meccani...-solo-r/48672/
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There's never any guarantee these small startups will be able to deliver on their promises, but Electra Meccanica has successfully brought the Solo to market – albeit a year behind schedule. At the moment there's no reason to assume the Tofino won't be the same, although building an expensive sports car is a different game to building three-wheeled commuters.
https://electrek.co/2017/03/28/elect...tric-roadster/
https://i0.wp.com/electrek.co/wp-con...trip=all&ssl=1

Other views of the Solo.......................

https://inhabitat.com/meet-solo-an-a...o-single-seat/
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2016
Electra Meccanica Solo, Canadian 3-Wheeled Car, Could Be Game-Changer
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/0..._11980210.html
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The Solo is classified as a car in Canada and as an autocycle in 41 U.S. states, company spokesperson Jeff Holland told the media. That makes the car exempt, in the U.S., from airbag requirements.
Autocycle?

ennored 01-08-2019 12:29 PM

Federally speaking, in the US, 3 or less wheels is a motorcycle. Motorcycle crash standards, motorcycle emissions standards, etc. Stepping up to car standards isn't a small task.

freebeard 01-08-2019 02:04 PM

That's the platform that Arcimoto abandoned for handlebar steering. It saved hundreds of pounds and inches of wheelbase.

Quote:

This design change was a eureka moment for Arcimoto founder Mark Frohnmayer that created a chain reaction of upgrades to the design. The transition from a steering wheel to handlebars significantly reduced the weight (by 700 lbs.) and product complexity, while improving battery performance, ease of entering and exiting the vehicle, and ride quality, ultimately giving it a sportier feel.
https://www.arcimoto.com/faq

redpoint5 01-08-2019 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ennored (Post 588086)
Federally speaking, in the US, 3 or less wheels is a motorcycle. Motorcycle crash standards, motorcycle emissions standards, etc. Stepping up to car standards isn't a small task.

Thanks for bringing this up. That must explain the allure of engineering a 3-wheeler then. I'd do the same thing because finding loopholes in absurd laws is my pleasure. For instance, it's crazy that I'll get a ticket for not wearing a seatbelt in a car, but it's perfectly legal for me to sit on the exterior of my vehicle (motorcycle) with no restraints.

kach22i 01-08-2019 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redpoint5 (Post 588112)
Thanks for bringing this up. That must explain the allure of engineering a 3-wheeler then. I'd do the same thing because finding loopholes in absurd laws is my pleasure. For instance, it's crazy that I'll get a ticket for not wearing a seatbelt in a car, but it's perfectly legal for me to sit on the exterior of my vehicle (motorcycle) with no restraints.

They need "X" amount of organ donors. :D

Angel And The Wolf 01-08-2019 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redpoint5 (Post 588112)
For instance, it's crazy that I'll get a ticket for not wearing a seatbelt in a car, but it's perfectly legal for me to sit on the exterior of my vehicle (motorcycle) with no restraints.

Or for our children to ride to school in a 45 passenger tin can with no seatbelts.

Piotrsko 01-09-2019 10:34 AM

Not saying it is right, but you need to come along to help buckle up the schoolbus load of firstgraders to fully understand. By the next stop 1/2 of them are unbuckled. And NO my district WOULDN'T give me an assistant, I cannot complain to the authorities or parents and the €©&£% camera is useless. Heck, I couldn't get college students to use them.

Some districts run them.

Angel And The Wolf 01-09-2019 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piotrsko (Post 588241)
Not saying it is right, but you need to come along to help buckle up the schoolbus load of firstgraders to fully understand. .

I fully understand, but if Big Brother let's them ride without seatbelts, won't he let us (at least the adults) ride without them?

Piotrsko 01-09-2019 10:56 AM

Sure on public transit or schoolbusses they are apparently optional. Then again those don't crash much. Roll overs otoh....... come to think of it: railway crossings also.

redpoint5 01-09-2019 11:17 AM

Yeah, busses are very near to the safest form of transportation. Diminishing returns.

cajunfj40 01-09-2019 11:49 AM

School buses and seatbelts
 
Hello all,

School bus safety re: no seatbelts as brought up by Angel And The Wolf and Piotrsko in response to redpoint5

From here: https://www.nhtsa.gov/road-safety/school-bus-safety
"NHTSA decided the best way to provide crash protection to passengers of large school buses is through a concept called “compartmentalization.” This requires that the interior of large buses protect children without them needing to buckle up. Through compartmentalization, children are protected from crashes by strong, closely-spaced seats that have energy-absorbing seat backs."

That's those tall ugly grey vinyl seats. The basic idea is that the small kids are safer on average this way, considering other potential scenarios that require rapid bus evacuation, etc. The risk of a highly regulated driver of a highly regulated/visible vehicle crashing in such a way that the compartmentalization is insufficient to prevent X number of deaths/serious injury was judged to be less than the risk of kids being stuck in a burning bus/bus stuck on a train track/other because they're all belted in and panicking and can't undo them fast enough. At least, that's how it has been explained to me in the past, and the research to date seems to back it up.

The NTSB seems to now be recommending seatbelts (see here: https://abcnews.go.com/beta-story-co...ry?id=55367225) in new buses, though, after a few recent crashes. Trouble is, that seems a knee-jerk "fix the equipment" solution to an actual "fix the system" problem - negligent (cellphone, excessive speed by driver with documented negligence history)/impaired(seizure in driver with known seizure disorder) drivers allowed to keep driving due to poor oversight. (see here: https://www.ntsb.gov/news/press-rele...R20180522.aspx) The NHTSA is apparently going to study the issue, but I can't find the relevant link.

I've been rabbit-holing - trolling the NHTSA.gov crash test results database - lately on crash safety in cars, both airbag and non-airbag. A 1984 4-cylinder Jeep CJ-7 surprisingly does better in a 35mph frontal crash than my 2000 Ford Explorer or 1999 Chevy Prizm. Lower HIC's, lower chest G's, similar femur loadings. A Fiero does even better. So there are some viable alternatives to airbags present in older designs. It would be nice if automakers were allowed to sell crash safety systems that work without electronic systems like airbags, though the electronic part seems moot if we're talking EV's.

Seatbelts, though - wear them. Other than in non-motorcycle vehicles like school buses with the rest of the safety systems surrounding the non-belted seats, your 3-point seatbelt, properly worn, is the best piece of safety equipment you have if a crash occurs. Add proper crumple zones, a collapsing steering column, and appropriate dash padding, and one can fare quite well.

This Solo looks an awful lot like a Corbin Sparrow, with a bit more refinement. I need 4 seats with belts in whatever I drive, though I could plausibly get by with 3 (myself and 2 kids) considering we take the wife's car if we're all going somewhere.

aerohead 01-09-2019 02:03 PM

classified
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stubby79 (Post 587866)
Are they classified as a motorcycle or as a passenger vehicle down there in cali? Fingers crossed they dont classify them as motorcycles up here...whats the point of a commuter car for the masses if the masses need to go get a motorcycle license to drive one?

They referred to it as an enclosed motorcycle.They never mentioned license requirements.Such a fundamental question,it probably just blew over them.
Funny!

redpoint5 01-09-2019 02:42 PM

Of course wear your seatbelt. It's just absurd that law requires individuals to do so.

I can legally juggle chainsaws as a complete novice, yet I have no say in the matter of wearing a seatbelt. I can fly an ultralight aircraft with no experience and no seatbelt legally, but cannot choose not to wear a seatbelt in a vehicle.

Still, I see the argument for enforcing safety, and am thankful for the lives it has saved. I'm torn between protecting stupid people from themselves, and maximizing choice (freedom).

Concerning bus safety, it's orders of magnitude safer than passenger vehicles. I feel no need to wear a seatbelt, as the risk is sufficiently low.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/pbox....ias&t=20170517

freebeard 01-09-2019 04:28 PM

It always surprises me that buses are safer than trains.


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