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RedDevil 04-01-2019 06:57 PM

April Fools day
 
... has a Tesla theme?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlbl6SBftW0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEuxvmEvkgw

Elon himself better be careful or the SEC will haunt him again, claims Bloomberg. The SEC does not swallow more bankwupt jokes with Teslaquila.

But Elon released a rap that could only be of use to take Sentry mode to the Ludicrous level...

Oh, and this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn1uzAJk-6o

freebeard 04-02-2019 01:07 AM

....note my new signature line:

RedDevil 04-02-2019 06:14 AM

Late to the party, but CNN joined the fun nonetheless:
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/01/b...019/index.html
Quote:

Tesla is probably about to report the largest drop in auto sales in the company's history.

That's not a shock —Tesla faced some special circumstances last quarter. But it's still a concern: Tesla needs to keep its sales pace high to pay down its sizable debts.
Tesla will report first quarter sales and production figures Tuesday, and Wall Street analysts expect them to be sharply lower than the 90,700 cars that the company sold and delivered to customers last quarter. Analysts predict Tesla delivered just over 50,000 cars over the last three months.
(Just try to imagine what the largest drop in Tesla sales so far amounts to ;))

There's the odd chance they aren't joking though.
But Tesla will publish Q1 numbers shortly while Bloomberg indicates Model 3 production has gone up (by almost 30%), not down...

At least CNN can escape embarrassment by pointing to their publishing date.

All Darc 04-02-2019 09:48 PM

You will not save animals with a synthetic meat that cost 5x more than real meat.

In the same way you will not reduce oil consume with a electric cars like Tesla. Until we get low cost and high energy density battery, electric cars will be just a dream or a extravagance for richies.

redpoint5 04-03-2019 02:49 AM

I don't know anything about Harambe, but I'm certain killing the animal was the right thing to do. Crazy how that stuff makes news amid thousands of more tragic stories that happen every day.

My guess is lab grown meat will become the cheap way to eat meat. Same with EVs. Everything is more expensive until it isn't.

RedDevil 04-03-2019 04:54 AM

Synthetic meat grown in robot farms. And a virtual world to keep the synthetic meat pacified. Hmm...

freebeard 04-03-2019 07:22 AM

All zoo animals die for our sins, Harambe just put a face on it.

What's more important to me is the song. https://www.rollingstone.com/music/m...arambe-815813/
Quote:

Elon Musk combined a Twitter joke, a years-old meme and Auto-Tune into a surprise new song called “RIP Harambe,” which the Tesla CEO uploaded onto SoundCloud this weekend.

This might be my finest work,” the SpaceX boss said of the track, which he posted on his fictitious Emo G Records’ SoundCloud page between tweets about the Tesla Semi; Emo G is a play on emoji, a callback to a Musk joke from earlier in the weekend. “I’m disappointed that my record label failed,” he added.

All Darc 04-03-2019 11:13 AM

Meat lab will take too long to became affordable, viable or cheaper than real meat.

I bet more in next generations of quality meat replacements made from vegetable proteins, mimicking texture and flavor.

redpoint5 04-03-2019 12:41 PM

It's easier to make meat taste like meat than to make plants taste like meat and deliver the same protein and fats.

What is too long in the course of human history? Perhaps the time needed to develop lab meat will be beyond my lifetime (I doubt it), but it will probably happen eventually.

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Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 595193)
All zoo animals die for our sins, Harambe just put a face on it.

I'm not saying it's not a shame, I'm just saying it isn't newsworthy. The only people that mourn the loss of the animal are in the human species.

Sure, other animals can feel a sense of loss, but they don't comprehend the future and fear it like humans, and don't suffer the loss of peers like we do.

Concerning the ethics of zoos... I haven't given it much thought. My daughter is not free to go anywhere and lives in captivity to my wife and I, but in return we ensure her health, safety, and wellbeing.

All Darc 04-03-2019 01:15 PM

Lab meat can't drop much in price, since it require milion of nano filaments to make a single hamburguer, and so hundreds of mini cases to grow and collect the nano filaments.

Meat replacements made from plants uses rich protein extracts, and it can get many tastes. If researchs progress it can in a near future became as good as meat in terms of taste.

About the gorilla shot, I supose there was no good alternatives, since sedation took minutes and the dart tranquilliser shot could had scared the gorilla and so put the child in danger.

redpoint5 04-03-2019 02:07 PM

I don't understand biology enough (and neither do the scientists), but perhaps the solution would be DNA engineering so that the required structures to supply nutrients grow automatically...

I'm sure the gunshot was not taken lightly. Zoo keepers tend to grow very attached to the animals they care for. I consider it an act of heroism to preserve the safety of the child in light of the pain it causes to take the life of an animal you're responsible to care for. Probably should get Zoo keeper of the year medal of honor.

freebeard 04-03-2019 03:30 PM

Quote:

I don't understand biology enough (and neither do the scientists), but perhaps the solution would be DNA engineering so that the required structures to supply nutrients grow automatically...
3D printing will put gristle in the 'meat'.

Xist 04-04-2019 01:25 AM

Nobody has heard of the Impossible Whopper? Burger King is trying it out in St. Louis and it may go nation\worldwide: Burger King’s new Whopper is 0% beef. That’s a big deal.

We had discussed heme before. It is supposed to be indistinguishable from meat, but the member that tried it said it was definitely different.

It will cost $1 more than a normal Whopper. Around here, that is 17% more.

redpoint5 04-04-2019 02:23 AM

Whoppers already cost too much; certainly not going to pay more for not-a-whopper.

I stopped eating at Burger King when they stopped selling the Whopper for $1. That was probably close to 20 years ago.

Xist 04-04-2019 02:31 AM

I worked at Burger King in 1996 and 1997. Whoppers were $1 each. I do not know when they changed that, but to me, a Whopper is still only worth a dollar.

Around here they are $5.99 each or two for $6.

redpoint5 04-04-2019 03:00 AM

We're of the same era, and Burger King shot themselves in the foot when they raised the price of the only reason to go there by 600%.

McDonalds wisely kept the prices as low as possible for their double cheeseburger, and when they could no longer sell 'em for a profit at $1, they took 1 slice of cheese out and called it a McDouble. Now McDouble's are a bit more, but not 600% more.

I'd much rather have a Whopper, but I'm not going to spend $8 for fast food. I can get a footlong sub for $5. Taco bell can probably fill my belly for $3-$4.

RedDevil 04-04-2019 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by RedDevil (Post 595120)
Late to the party, but CNN joined the fun nonetheless:
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/01/b...019/index.html

(Just try to imagine what the largest drop in Tesla sales so far amounts to ;))

There's the odd chance they aren't joking though.
But Tesla will publish Q1 numbers shortly while Bloomberg indicates Model 3 production has gone up (by almost 30%), not down...

At least CNN can escape embarrassment by pointing to their publishing date.

I have to admit the analysts were more or less right after all, and the Bloomberg tracker has indeed overstated production.
Tesla Q1 2019 Vehicle Production & Deliveries | Tesla, Inc.

All Darc 04-04-2019 11:53 AM

Impossible Burguer It uses a plant based sort of hemoglobin, called heme.

I wouldn't turst Burguer King, as vegetarian I'am. Impossible Burguer, true plant based was expensive and Burguer King could mix it with real meat to cut cost of production.

Partnership with Impossible Foods (creator of the Impossible Burguer- a burguer that bleeds like a rare or medium rare beef).

I wouldn't trust, specially in my country, since if it costs more than burger meat (cheap meat) and tastes the same, they could use real meat instead.

But even Impossible Burguer don't have the very same texture as meat, despite be close, in terms of chew. And it can't be roasted like real meat.
There is a german research that developed a texture more t=close to meat than anything, and they had some meating with Impossible Foods. Maybe in a near future both technologies are combined to get the best texture and the best taste.


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Originally Posted by Xist (Post 595303)
Nobody has heard of the Impossible Whopper? Burger King is trying it out in St. Louis and it may go nation\worldwide: Burger King’s new Whopper is 0% beef. That’s a big deal.

We had discussed heme before. It is supposed to be indistinguishable from meat, but the member that tried it said it was definitely different.

It will cost $1 more than a normal Whopper. Around here, that is 17% more.


All Darc 04-07-2019 01:28 AM

This new video it's weird. They (Impossible Burguer) claim that now the burguer it's even closer to real meat burguer than befor, when it was tested in sellected restaurants.
But looking to the video it's more like a recipe of a home made buruger, using the tecturized soy protein flakes all vegetarian know. Just the heme it's the new.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63FHZy_7-qs

But texturized soy protein don't chew like meat, and Impossible Burguer it's reported to chew a bit similar to meast.

Disapointing... I imagined they used some isolated protein, since it would have more concentrated protein, but they are using texturized soy protein, which have less protein than meat and lower biologic value for protein.

In a email I sent to the company they responded me and told me it (in older version based on wheat) have the same amount of protein and essential aminoacids than real meat. I was suspicious since wheat and potate (old recipe they had) are not good sources of essential aminoacids.

I suspect this burger will taste similar, but will not have the same amount (percentage) of aminoacids than a real burguer. Unless the burgeur is thicker or larger, it will nt deliver the same amount of aminoacids as a real meat burguer.

Texturised soy protein, for other side, it's much cheaper than meat. This couldin theory, if heme it's not expensive to produce, to open door to "meat" (vegie meat) became more widely available to more people, even poor people in many countries.

But..heme it's reported by some vegans as not a true health thing, having some issued similar to red meat. Not sure if it's true. And texturized soy protein, the process of extraction, it's said to use some solvents not very good for body.

Another informative video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng4C2HMH664

TBChris 04-12-2019 08:28 AM

Interesting
 
Could actually be a really interesting thing with the meat lab. A great alternative to traditional meat.

All Darc 04-12-2019 01:19 PM

I risk to say that fake meat (meat from plants protein) could became even better than real meat or lab meat. It's already more healthy, more ecologic, less expensive to produce, can feed more people (due lower price and lower land and lower water needs), and the taste is getting closer and closer to real meat. Many already have nutritional values equivalent to meat protein.

So it's a matter of time to fake meat became better in taste than real meat, since multimillion dollar companies are start to invest heavy on advanced research.
Now there are two companies focusing in create a quality yummy "veggie fish meat". And other is researching for "veggie shrimp meat".

I think it's nice... Soy protein is very cheap compared to meat, and in theory this could bring more meat (quality veggie imitations) to poor people in third world countries, since some countries had a lot of kids growing with diets poor in protein and iron.. They can add iron and vitamins to help por kids get better nutrition and result in better outcome.

Meet the Meat Machine :

https://youtu.be/bNNVyVbNPq4?t=95

This is the Shear Cell Technology I refered before, able to create plant protein fibers very close to meat. And have much better quality and it takes less energy than extrusion process used to reate standart soy protein pieces found on vegetarian dishes. And creates large pieces, instead of the limited size pieces from extrusion process

Quote:

Originally Posted by TBChris (Post 595847)
Could actually be a really interesting thing with the meat lab. A great alternative to traditional meat.


All Darc 04-12-2019 05:17 PM

Look how the vegie steak are cut and pan fried...
Imagine that with the heme deveoped by Impossible Foods. It would be very realistic steaks, and not just ground beef like burguers.

https://youtu.be/HP8Y7faobqI?t=99

But they need to create some solid vegan fat, from plants oils, since all vegies recipies that have fat get if from liquid fat. How to turn liquid fat (oil) into solid fat? Maybe micro cells together, filled with oil.

freebeard 04-12-2019 06:13 PM

Quote:

So it's a matter of time to fake meat became better in taste than real meat, since multimillion dollar companies are start to invest heavy on advanced research.
Now there are two companies focusing in create a quality yummy "veggie fish meat". And other is researching for "veggie shrimp meat".
Human's taste has evolved over millennia. I wonder if there are tastes that are better than meats or vegetables. There exists something called mouth feel which may be different to umammi.

All Darc 04-12-2019 11:15 PM

Yes, that's why the texture and juiceness of veggie meat must replicate the texture and juiceness of real meat. That's what this Shear Cell Technology it's trying to do.

Meat also have much of a certain aminoacid, or something else, that makes people social interaction rise, according something I read days ago. It was probably a remain of evolution, from days men hunt in groups and got together the eat the meat of the animal killed. This maybe creates a půs-eateing feeling, but I presume if a given veggie meat have the same amount of the same aminoacid, this feeling would also happens with vegie meat.

Quote:

Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 595936)
Human's taste has evolved over millennia. I wonder if there are tastes that are better than meats or vegetables. There exists something called mouth feel which may be different to umammi.



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