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MetroMPG 12-13-2007 08:59 PM

Article: Road traffic up 84% in the U.K.
 
I don't know North American stats, but I'd have to guess they'd be similar, if not worse.

Quote:

“Road traffic in Great Britain has grown by 84% since 1980“
That is a LOT of traffic, nearly double in under 30 years. It does add credence to the commonly held view
“Weren’t the roads much quieter when we were kids?”
Absolutely, and there is the proof - half as much traffic when we were young and the population increase doesn’t justify that increase in road traffic. The dramatic increase in traffic is due to the fact that motoring costs have remained fairly stable during the last 30 years and disposable income has increased. Also more women are driving than ever before.
read more: Road Traffic up 84%

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On top of it all, denser traffic means less lattitude for hypermiling techniques.

Peakster 12-13-2007 09:03 PM

I wonder: how much has traffic risen on a per capita basis?

SVOboy 12-13-2007 09:12 PM

I wonder what the hell people are doing? What about all that online shopping crap?

MetroMPG 12-13-2007 09:17 PM

It's all the delivery vans!

Peakster 12-13-2007 11:39 PM

Maybe people got more fuel efficient cars, so now they're on the road more? (I only drove 10,000 kms a year in my Cordoba [2002] and 20,000 kms a year in my T-Bird [2006], but I did over 50,000 kms in a year with the Geo [2007]).

SVOboy 12-13-2007 11:50 PM

I was actually thinking internet shopping my significantly reduce the amount of trips people make. *shrug*

roflwaffle 12-14-2007 03:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetroMPG (Post 2163)
On top of it all, denser traffic means less lattitude for hypermiling techniques.

Really? Rush hour IMO can be an efficient driver's dream. Average speeds of ~15-35mph, and with a manual the driver can keep distance fairly easily w/o having to brake/gas/brake/gas/brake/etc...

MetroMPG 12-14-2007 09:53 AM

Maybe I don't drive in the same heavy traffic you do - or as well as you do. But I never do as well when I get to Ottawa (the closest city with "real" urban traffic) as I can do in lighter traffic around here, less, um, interrupted by other drivers.

MetroMPG 12-14-2007 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peakster (Post 2180)
Maybe people got more fuel efficient cars, so now they're on the road more? (I only drove 10,000 kms a year in my Cordoba [2002] and 20,000 kms a year in my T-Bird [2006], but I did over 50,000 kms in a year with the Geo [2007]).

You're an interesting guy, Peakster. You're the guy I read about in studies that show vehicle choice is linked to fuel prices (getting the Geo instead of the Jeep).

And also the guy I read about in studies that suggest overall fuel use staying constant because people drive their more efficient cars more.

(But I'm going to be lazy this morning and not find any links to those studies.)

roflwaffle 12-14-2007 10:02 AM

I wonder if I would consider Ottawa traffic light... Ever been to southern California? ;)

MetroMPG 12-14-2007 10:36 AM

No, I've never been. It's all a matter of perspective, eh?

roflwaffle 12-14-2007 10:52 AM

Yup.

Lazarus 12-14-2007 11:09 AM

Wow that dude's just asking to be an organ donor.:eek:

The article does say that train use is up 50% so maybe it just a matter of population increase.

MetroMPG 12-14-2007 11:23 AM

Insanity! :O

DifferentPointofView 12-15-2007 02:32 AM

Hmmm. I seem to see that no matter what we do we're not actually causing oil to last any longer, with gas guzzlers we use up gas a lot but people don't wanna drive their cars all the time for that reason and people with gas sippers drive more cause they spend so little on gas, but because of these reasons we still are using the same amount of gas as normal. Maybe the only real option is find a renewable fuel resource normal gasoline engines can run off of.

MetroMPG 12-15-2007 10:47 AM

Not everyone drives more when they increase their efficiency. Ahem.

Peakster 12-15-2007 01:13 PM

MetroMPG, how many kilometres have you put on the Blackfly in the past year?

MetroMPG 12-15-2007 01:23 PM

I haven't done the 2007 tally yet, but I'd guess about 6000.

Peakster 12-15-2007 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetroMPG (Post 2330)
I haven't done the 2007 tally yet, but I'd guess about 6000.

Holy smokes! Even with gas prices they way they are, you're using less than $250 in fuel a year!

That's like... filling up a Ford truck's tank twice and saying "Okay, I'm finished for the year". Insane.

MetroMPG 12-15-2007 01:35 PM

OK, did the tally: it's actually 3700 km (so far - it'll be over 4k by the end of the month). EDIT: Yikes - I spent FAR more on insurance than fuel this year.

Lazarus 12-15-2007 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetroMPG (Post 2332)
OK, did the tally: it's actually 3700 km (so far - it'll be over 4k by the end of the month). EDIT: Yikes - I spent FAR more on insurance than fuel this year.

Does your insurance give you a break for driving so little?


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