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beluga 01-08-2014 09:17 PM

Basic aeromods to a 1990 toyota camry wagon
 
There are still quite a few 1987-91 Camrys on the road. Here's what I've done so far to mine, besides get general maintenance up to snuff, removing weight from throughout the car, checking tire pressure often and running the tires at max psi (35 on these dunlops)

Basic taped grill w/ logo removed for flatness-
http://brightmindsinstitute.com/imag...108_162657.jpg

Taped the headlights too, for now. Why not?
http://brightmindsinstitute.com/imag...108_162710.jpg

Bent required front license plate at angle.
http://brightmindsinstitute.com/imag...108_162909.jpg

Taped off some but not all of the hubcaps for Extra Sexy.
http://brightmindsinstitute.com/imag...108_162802.jpg

Removed roof rack cross bars (heavy! well made!), put side-mount radio antenna all the way down, have Fastrak.
http://brightmindsinstitute.com/imag...108_162926.jpg

Folded passenger side mirror - car has excellent visibility all around with tiny pillars and large glass sheets. Only need the mirror when car is full of stuff - so not removing mirror entirely.
http://brightmindsinstitute.com/imag...108_093343.jpg

Changed one bulb from standard to led so far - every watt counts! ;)

Doing P&G... not sure if it helps or not since I haven't gone through a 2nd tank yet after starting. Planning to put a "55" sticker on to warn folks. After taping the grill, the radiator comes on slightly more frequently.

One addition which probably hurts mileage are the rain/wind deflectors... I always wanted those when I saw them overseas so when they became popular in the US last year I went out to get some.

Next on my list...
  • remove cargo area carpet
    replace window motor - basic maintenance, not aero
    replace burnt out license plate bulb
    add valence air dam in front from a junk car lot or get lawn siding from the depot
    add turbulence reducers(?)/ wheel blocks and tails
    add a kammback
    add side skirts using lawn siding material
    add rear wheel well skirts
    add front wheel well reduction piece
    look for a prius or other newer spare tire that weighs less
    add belly pan
    build a "whale" rooftop shaper to work in conjunction w/ a kammback
    hook up mpguino unit
    replace front carpets with lighter material that doesn't skid but also protects base carpet. (towels w/ velcro or some other backing?)
    LRR yokohama orange tires
    polycarbonatize grill block, etc...

Am thinking of building a snap-on "kit" of ecomods for ppl who want them but don't have time to DIY. Not sure what demand is... I don't think "eco" or "money saving" is what will propel them though for most "consumers."

MetroMPG 01-10-2014 12:47 PM

Subscribed! Thanks for the detailed writeup & pics.

I almost bought one of these about 10 years ago - manual shift, though! In sexy, sexy brown paint.

Do you use the roof racks? If not, I'd take the whole mess right off the car.

beluga 01-11-2014 01:31 AM

thx
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MetroMPG (Post 406559)
Subscribed! Thanks for the detailed writeup & pics.

I almost bought one of these about 10 years ago - manual shift, though! In sexy, sexy brown paint.

Do you use the roof racks? If not, I'd take the whole mess right off the car.

i like the 60s-70s datsun brown. i see brown's been back in style for a year or two on MBZ, Cryslur and other cars.

I use them for moving mattresses around. I'm planning to build a whale roof to get that prius-insight-every-sports-car-made curvature so i'd rather keep 'em on for now. i know about the cross-wind stuff, thanks for mentioning though!

i've had manual. tired of it ;) manu-matic seems ok as long as i don't blow the transmission.

i've cross-posted over at Fun 'n ugly aero-modding of a 90 wagon - Toyota Nation Forum : Toyota Car and Truck Forums =)

beluga 01-16-2014 02:28 AM

Got my best ever MPG last week after a bunch of tiny mods, ditching weight and massive P&G (ankle hurts, can't do toooo much). 450 miles / 12.7gal = 35.433070866141732283464566929134 miles per gallon. less than the xl1, but good for this boxy thing.

i think the next main mod must be a kammback wing, somewhere between the partial metrotail and the pickup truck down-wing i saw on here a while ago.
other kammwings i see that seem like good models (of course they have the whole wing hump profile up front, too, which mine doesn't yet)---
honda fit
prius vee
prius see

valence, wing, then belly pans and pizza pans, in that order seems most productive.

MetroMPG 01-16-2014 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beluga (Post 407355)
35.433070866141732283464566929134 miles per gallon. less than the xl1, but good for this boxy thing.

Funny, that bit.

Xist 01-16-2014 11:54 AM

Yes, I would look into removing the window deflectors. They reduce wind noise by forcing the air away from your windows. It is a bad aero area, but it would reduce air attachment.

Seriously, do the lawn edging air dam. It is so easy that you will wonder why you did not do it sooner!

I am not a good example of this, but please do A-B-A testing for all of your modifications.

There are current discussions on LED lights on here. Many users have done this or at least looked into it. This, and replacing steel wheels with lighter ones, really do not seem to have return-on-investments, and LED headlights do not work properly.

I think that I read on here that for every percent that you reduce your car weight, you increase your mileage by half as much. There are not many ways to significantly reduce weight, and some of those are very expensive, like replacing the wheels.

beluga 01-19-2014 02:39 AM

Glad to humor a Metro guy ;)

Xist thanks for the ideas!

Today: picked up a bookshelf and hauled it around. I think I achieved a partial kammback effect and lower Cd but am not sure... maybe it was negated by the liftback being open? The bookcase added weight for more inertia...

P&G kicks ass, i wish there were an automagical version of it w/ auto-sensing radar cruise control. (because lazy) If i make P&G vinyl decals will u buy them?

re weight of car. has anyone replaced their hood and side windows w/ polycarbonate? i can flex my lightness with a clear 1/8" 4x8 sheet for $96+tax at TAP Plastics.

finally added my gas receipt from 1/11...check my logz ... huge mpg jump from P&G, manu-maticness (WILL THIS KILL MY TRANNY?), tape-over upper gblocking & partial hubcap tape-overs.

since mega-tank:
* bought lawn edging
* bought pizza pans
* received MPGuido :P
* bought 2006 Subie spare tire - lighter than my "plus size" 80s spare

so here's more eye candy...

The January 11th record tank:
http://brightmindsinstitute.com/imag...111_140019.jpg

car side profile w/ bookcase strapped in = accidental kammback! (my only thought is how will i strap on a real one? but there are many ways to attach things to things...)
http://brightmindsinstitute.com/imag...118_170547.jpg

closeup
http://brightmindsinstitute.com/imag...118_170624.jpg

rear
http://brightmindsinstitute.com/imag...118_170607.jpg

beluga 01-19-2014 02:52 AM

time for some calcs.

how many miles/months need i drive before recouping costs from gas-saving devices?

forthcoming...

Baltothewolf 01-19-2014 03:12 AM

Do you hypermile for that 35mpg? I'm getting 32 in my 95 camry at 70 on the freeway.

beluga 01-19-2014 04:00 AM

hellzyea
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Baltothewolf (Post 407646)
Do you hypermile for that 35mpg? I'm getting 32 in my 95 camry at 70 on the freeway.

short answer: yes

long: P&G (like riding a bike lazily; pedal hard while standing on pedals then coast a ways, ad nauseum), never drive above 65 and usually b/t 50-60mph on hwy, and all the tips/mods above...

read the top links on this site: 65/100 tips. use them.

SPEED KILLS in more ways than four

Baltothewolf 01-19-2014 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beluga (Post 407649)
short answer: yes

long: P&G (like riding a bike lazily; pedal hard while standing on pedals then coast a ways, ad nauseum), never drive above 65 and usually b/t 50-60mph on hwy, and all the tips/mods above...

read the top links on this site: 65/100 tips. use them.

SPEED KILLS in more ways than four

To answer you directly, I don't really care about doing 70 when I'm carpooling because they give me 5 bucks to ride so yea. When I'm by myself I find a Semi doing ~60 and follow it for as long as possible.

Nice, here is my old baby, my parents are letting her rot now at only 165k miles. Battery is dead and they refuse to let me charge it (or jump it) and drive it around town a couple times a month to keep everything running smooth.

http://imageshack.com/a/img580/1536/...0315185743.jpg

Here is my current baby, I love this car to death. Have done a grillblock and will soon be doing pizza pan wheel covers. Tomorrow I'm getting an aftermarket temp gauge and possibly a vacuum gauge installed.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/837/5r9p.jpg

Here is hopefully my soon to be play toy. Needs serious work, and a repaint.

http://imageshack.com/a/img51/1431/emq8.jpg

beluga 01-25-2014 04:00 AM

So it doesn't seem like you're all that interested in saving gas if you want a mustang :P your parent's cam wagon looks bone stock other than tint. are the wheels regular steel? can't tell from looking at the photo..

My mpgs dropped w/ last tank b/c i started a new commute. In the AM the freeway is all red w/ bits of yellow on my mapping app so i take city streets instead. I'm not sure which is worse... maybe i'll take the freeway blockage all next week as a test. but that won't use up a full tank... but enough to test a hypothesis...

are there rear wheel well cover makers out there?

if not i might be interested in that... but seems like lots of custom work and super low volume. luxe covers? gold grilles?

Baltothewolf 01-25-2014 04:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beluga (Post 408443)
So it doesn't seem like you're all that interested in saving gas if you want a mustang :P your parent's cam wagon looks bone stock other than tint. are the wheels regular steel? can't tell from looking at the photo..

My mpgs dropped w/ last tank b/c i started a new commute. In the AM the freeway is all red w/ bits of yellow on my mapping app so i take city streets instead. I'm not sure which is worse... maybe i'll take the freeway blockage all next week as a test. but that won't use up a full tank... but enough to test a hypothesis...

are there rear wheel well cover makers out there?

if not i might be interested in that... but seems like lots of custom work and super low volume. luxe covers? gold grilles?

Lets start from the top.

That mustang has been my dream car for years. It will just a be a 'weekend' car and tbh, I want it more for restoration more than anything (it needs serious internal work and a lot of outer work).

It is 100% stock to my knowledge, as a matter of fact, it even has the original radio and speakers. As for the wheels I'm not sure, I think they are the original rims that came with the car. And I think the tint is stock, I know we didn't put it on there and we have had it for 14 years now.

As far as I know on the wheel covers, no, not that I know of.

Interested in what exactly?

MetroMPG 01-25-2014 08:41 AM

Red and yellow highways don't sound good. (Is that a euphemism for McDonaDs drive thru?)

How to make fender skirts: http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...metro-103.html

The hubcaps on the Camry sedan are stock. :)

poomanchu 01-26-2014 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beluga (Post 407649)
short answer: yes

long: P&G (like riding a bike lazily; pedal hard while standing on pedals then coast a ways, ad nauseum), never drive above 65 and usually b/t 50-60mph on hwy, and all the tips/mods above...

read the top links on this site: 65/100 tips. use them.

SPEED KILLS in more ways than four

Wait, didn't you say you have an auto? Can you even p&g in an auto? And it is this the 3 speed auto?

beluga 02-01-2014 02:29 AM

nice handle!

it's 4spd auto. i approximate P&G by pressing on pedal, then lifting off. the car slows. i press the pedal again. ad nauseum. i don't shift to neutral for that or kill the engine so it's png lite.

i'm not sure how good it is to shift into neutral a lot with an automatic tranny tran but i do it a bunch in city driving. time will tell if a future transmission repair vapes any gas savings ... saves my foot tho.

Superfuelgero 02-01-2014 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beluga (Post 408443)
So it doesn't seem like you're all that interested in saving gas if you want a mustang :P

Easy there. The two worlds can coincide. Its easier with two cars though (see my list) so that every car can fulfill a purpose.

beluga 04-11-2014 02:03 AM

agree
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by xntrx (Post 409468)
Easy there. The two worlds can coincide. Its easier with two cars though (see my list) so that every car can fulfill a purpose.

is there any reason the 80mpg VW Jetta wagon TDI "blue motion" in europe isn't shipped over here? I didn't think so. it's certainly not for "safety" reasons...

ditto for their 200-300mpg xl1.

so, tonight finally did ghetto attachment of lawn edging up front.. :turtle:

eye candy--

http://brightmindsinstitute.com/imag...7%20SUBTLE.jpg

http://brightmindsinstitute.com/imag...2407 ghett.jpg

http://brightmindsinstitute.com/imag..._222520 OK.jpg

http://brightmindsinstitute.com/imag..._222529 OK.jpg

elhigh 04-11-2014 09:24 AM

Don't fault an enthusiast for his wants. That's part of why we're all at this forum, after all.

Besides, you can get crazy good mileage numbers out of anything: look up Ultarc and his Mustang, or Diesel Dave and his ridiculously thrifty Ram.

beluga 04-12-2014 04:34 AM

the living daylights:
http://brightmindsinstitute.com/imag...11_165522b.jpg
http://brightmindsinstitute.com/imag...11_165529b.jpg

car feels slower--like doing a mirror addition x 10!

def fine to have diff dreams. the sharing economy encourages this. balto- how's the mustang / camry tango coming along?


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