02-03-2025, 01:58 PM
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Okay, it was just a suggestion.
Which one? Sun Bin or Sun Tzu? The former is two volumes of fifteen chapters, the latter is thirteen chapters.
Can you narrow it down a bit, or is it just "I know more than you going in"?
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A study of the art of war to win what exactly you might ask..?
War has nothing to do with who's right and who's wrong... it's all about winning at all costs, wrong or not...

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02-03-2025, 04:31 PM
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A study of the art of war to win what exactly you might ask..?
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You may be onto something.
It's an appeal to authority. Said authority comprising 13 chapters of varied relevance. Most likely nowhere says "Don't feed the trolls", modern times require modern memes.
Lacks specificity.
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02-06-2025, 11:37 AM
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A study of the art of war to win what exactly you might ask..?
War has nothing to do with who's right and who's wrong... it's all about winning at all costs, wrong or not...

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It's about 'intelligence'.
If one has more information than the other side about the potential theater of operation, the war is over before it ever begins.
Napoleon and Hitler both underestimated Russian winters.
Boron 'myopia' is your downfall. It seems that you never entertained the notion that 'tribology' could be a lot more complicated, and cared to look into it. Fatal!
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02-08-2025, 12:08 PM
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API Oil Categories as related to 'worn-out' cars
* Here's a timeline for motor oil classifications for all classifications.
* The age of your 'worn out' car reflects on the types of motor oils available over it's service life.
* 'New' motor oil parameters are restricted to 'new' oil. What it is, and how it's treated, bear upon what happens inside an engine, between oil & filter changes.
* Your owner's manual will provide you with the appropriate types/grades of motor oil for your car, as specified by the manufacturer when the car was new.
* What was actually used will impact what actually happened to the engine.
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This is where I'll start the 'Boron' conversation. All related discussions will be handled under dedicated headers.
https://www.api.org/products-and-ser...s#tab-gasoline
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02-10-2025, 12:44 PM
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BORPower additive ? time domain
* 'BORPower additive ?' arrived here at EcoModder.com in 8-16-2024.
* Using data for average mileage driven by Americans per year, provided by The U.S. Federal Highway Administration, and working backwards to arrive at 'worn-out' light passenger vehicles with 150,000-to- 200,000 miles on their odometer gives cars of model years from 2014, back to 2010, establishing the USA analogue for cars which fit the description.
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* Dr. Erdemir's 'Argonne National Laboratory' US PATENT dates to 1991.
* Research resumed in 2007, through 2011, with Dr. Erdemir publishing the results in July, 2013.
* By 2007, Argonne had abandoned the 'boric-oxide plating, reacting with colloidal nano-boric acid platelets in close proximity in a carrier oil.
* By 2011, when the University of Arkansas, USA concluded their investigations, the PAO-4 / surfactant / nano-boric acid technology had never been tested according to the ASTM Sequence test series in automotive engines.
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* In December, 2024, Elsevier was reporting on engine oil friction modifiers, referencing 2012 Tribology International reporting on engine friction, which referenced engine tests involving Dr. Erdemir, using year 2000 gasoline/diesel engine composite performance, which indicated that engine 'parasitic friction' constituting 11.5% of the engine's total energy flux for the automobile which measured 8.0-liters/ 100-km ( 29.4208- mpg ( US Gallons ).
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* Quezacotl commented on a 15% improvement in fuel economy, and 10% increase in engine power, both attributed to 'Boron'.
- According to the SAE, in order for an engine to gain 15% mpg, would require a 75% reduction in 'friction'.
- SAE 30W, Mineral ,motor oil has a coefficient of friction (mu ) = 0.12, and viscosity of 11.6-cSt @ 100-C ( 214-F ), fully-warmed.
- In order to achieve a 75% 'friction' reduction would require a motor oil with a mu= 0.03, and viscosity of 2.6-cSt.
- Mobil 1, full-synthetic motor oil has a viscosity of 3- cSt @ 150-C ( 302-F ).
- According to the SAE, no internal combustion can survive service loads with a lubricant of viscosity below 3-cSt, making a motor oil of 2.6-cSt problematic.
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* Increasing engine power by 10%, according to the SAE would require only a 37.6% friction reduction, or, mu= 0.07488 and approx. 7.238 cSt.
- According to SAE, if all 'Boundary-Mixed' region lubrication friction were eliminated completely, the engine would gain a 5.34% power increase, making a '10%' power improvement problematic for 'Boron.'
- If, on the other hand, all 'hydrodynamic' lubrication friction were removed, the engine would see a 10.66% power gain, however, we're talking about 'Pascal fluids' of zero viscosity.
- If all engine friction were eliminated, the engine would realize a 16% power increase.
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02-10-2025, 01:46 PM
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Coefficients of Friction ( Mu )
I'll start this list and add to it as quanta become available:
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0.005 - University of California, at Santa Barbara, 1993
0.011 - DEXRON-II ATF @ 5000-RPM
0.020 - PTFE 'Teflon', 1943, DuPont ( wet ice on ice )
0.025 - nBA platelets in mineral, Pin- on- Boric-Oxide plated disk at very low RPM.
0.0305 - 80W GL-1 gear lube @ 5000-RPM
0.050 - nBA platelets in mineral oil Pin-on- Boric-Oxide disk ( higher load )
0.05-0.12 - PAO-4 with 100-200nm BA, 2011
0.0542 - SAE 30W @ 5000-RPM
0.060 - SAE 5W-30 @ 4400- RPM
0.063 - RedLine MTL @ 5000-RPM
0.0655- 80W GL-5 gear lube @ 5000-RPM
0.067 - SAE 5W-30 with MoDTC
0.067 - SAE 5W-30 @ 3900-RPM
0.067 - SAE 5W-30 with 'Superfinished' tappet @ 1675-RPM
0.070 - PAO-4 plus surfactant, plus 5% nBA
0.076 - RedLine MTL, 75W-80 gear lube @ zero-rpm, 1989
0.09-0.10 - PAO-4 with anti-oxidant only
0.0453 - RedLine 40W Race oil, 1989
0.05 - PAO-4 with 1% nBA, 2011
0.05226 - RedLine 20W-50, 1989
0.05517 - RedLine 10W-30, 1989
0.070 - PAO-4 with surfactant & 5% nBA, 2011
0.070 - 80W-GL-5 gear lube, @ 1,500-RPM,1989
0.070 - cubic lattice structure Boron-Nitride ( c-BN ) on Diamond
0.0755 - RedLine MTL SAE 75W-80 gear lube @ zero-RPM, 1989
0.0762 - full-synthetic 15W-50 motor oil, 1989
0.0773 - full-synthetic 5W-50-C motor oil, 1989
0.0780 - mineral, SAE 20W-50-K motor oil, 1989
0.080 - DEXRON - MERCON ATF, 1989
0.080 - 80W-GL-5 gear lube @ 1,500-RPM, 1989
0.0849 - full-synthetic 5W-50-Q, 1989
0.100 - lubricated industrial bearing
0.100 - RedLine MTL @ 1435-RPM
0.100 - mineral API SF SAE 30W motor oil @ 1685-RPM
0.100 - PAO-4 without ant-oxidant
0.100 - full-synthetic SAE 5W-30 with Boron
0.100-0.110 - PAO-4 with anti-oxidant & 1.0% BA
0.100-0.120 - PAO-4 with full passenger car additive package & 0.25% BA
0.100-0.32 - PAO-4 with full passenger car additive package
0.105 - 0.12 - PAO-4 with anti-oxidant only & 0.5% BA
0.110 - full-synthetic SAE 5W030 with Boron
0.110 - full-synthetic SAE 5W-30 without Boron
0.110 - full-synthetic SAE 5W-30 without MoDTC
0.110 - full-synthetic without ZDDP, plus MoDTC
0.110 - 80W GL-5 gear lube
0.110 - API SF, SAE 30W mineral, @ 935-RPM
0.120 - full-synthetic SAE 5W-30
0.120 - API SF, SAE 30W- @ 375-RPM
0.130 - DEXRON II-MERCON-II
0.150 - RedLine MTL @ 800-RPM
0.150 - PAO-4 100%
0.180 - 80W-GL-1 gear lube
0.200 - 0.300 - hexagonal Boron-Nitride ( h-BN )
0.110 - 0.12 - PAO-4 with full passenger car package & friction modifier(FM)
0.110-0.120 - PAO-4 with full passenger car additive package & 0.50% BA
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It's about 'intelligence'.
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It's reasoning by analogy. It would work as well with Robert's Rules of Order.
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02-11-2025, 06:02 PM
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It's about 'intelligence'.
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Any time you want to have a little IQ test competition, just say the word MF!!!
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02-11-2025, 07:01 PM
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What fun! I'll start:
Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) -- INTJ
Political compass:

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02-11-2025, 07:12 PM
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I'll start this list and add to it as quanta become available:
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0.005 - University of California, at Santa Barbara, 1993
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How do you get the horizontal rule below the header? It doesn't show up if one quotes the whole post.
Anyways, have you considered populating the Wiki with this so it doesn't get buried in the thread? ecomodder.com/wiki/Main_Page#Reference_Material
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