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Sean T. 12-28-2009 10:59 PM

Chin Splitter?
 
Does a chin splitter (something along the lines of this:

http://www.rpidesigns.com/images/zr1splitteroncar.jpg

Help for MPGs or downforce? I can't remember which... or is it both?

I'm thinking if it will help with MPG, then when I make my belly pan, I'll extend it out the front.

dremd 12-28-2009 11:01 PM

Improves downforce 4 sure.
I don't know about MPG.

Christ 12-28-2009 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dremd (Post 150511)
Improves downforce 4 sure.
I don't know about MPG.

It improves downforce through the wing effect. It can aid MPG by lowering your stagnation point, if you mount it correctly. It might not be a noticeable gain, though, certainly not worth buying one premade.

winkosmosis 12-28-2009 11:22 PM

They reduce lift by preventing air from going underneath. That also reduces drag. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

Christ 12-28-2009 11:26 PM

Mount it at the wrong angle, then get back to me about how it doesn't induce drag, rather than reduce it.

winkosmosis 12-28-2009 11:42 PM

Usually they're horizontal though

Sean T. 12-29-2009 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by winkosmosis (Post 150523)
Usually they're horizontal though

That would be a chin "spoiler"

http://www.atlantaauto.com/imagesv3/large/3d691071.jpg

Here's a more dramatic chin splitter... which more than likely does no more than a smaller one. (also called a front diffuser)

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagam...Grip/yf141.jpg

winkosmosis 12-29-2009 12:12 AM

The splitter is horizontal. That Mustang has an air dam. The dam reduces drag and lift by the same method though, preventing air from going under the car. The difference is that the splitter doesn't block airflow coming from the front, only airflow being redirected downward by the nose of the car.

Sean T. 12-29-2009 12:21 AM

Ohhhhhhhh my bad. I was thinking you said vertical.

aerohead 12-31-2009 01:17 PM

splitter
 
My opinion,is that the splitter's place is on the racetrack,not on the street.
Neither the Corvette pictured,nor the racecar could navigate a driveway ramp without leaving their nose on the ground.
The Corvette,which can be purchased in Germany,can legally operate on portions of the Autobahn at top speed,which for some models now is in 200-mph territory.
Stability and traction are paramount to safety at these speeds,which the splitter can help with.
For normal day to day driving they would offer only a headache and hazard to surrounding traffic as you slowed to a crawl and attempted to negotiate ramps obliquely to avoid a ground-strike.
I've been there,done that,don't go there!

jamesqf 12-31-2009 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aerohead (Post 151020)
Neither the Corvette pictured,nor the racecar could navigate a driveway ramp without leaving their nose on the ground.

So you couldn't possibly add a couple of hinges, an actuator, and a range sensor to lift the thing out of the way? Or even have it retract if you're moving less than 35 mph or so?

(I've actually been thinking of something like this for my Toyota pickup: an air dam that goes down for highway travel, then retracts when I get off paved roads onto dirt.)

aerohead 12-31-2009 02:41 PM

possibly
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jamesqf (Post 151035)
So you couldn't possibly add a couple of hinges, an actuator, and a range sensor to lift the thing out of the way? Or even have it retract if you're moving less than 35 mph or so?

(I've actually been thinking of something like this for my Toyota pickup: an air dam that goes down for highway travel, then retracts when I get off paved roads onto dirt.)

The first thing is to nail down the architecture of it,which yields the drag minimum.
It would need to articulate,hinges are low-tech,and all the big-boys and their supercars use them.
I would build with extremely low mass.I guess pre-preg epoxy carbon fiber remains the benchmark there.If you "sense" that the chin must lift,like "right-now",then the least inertia the better.
Your sensor needs to be fail-proof or have redundancy incorporated in so there's no "dead" activity.
Radio,acoustic,laser could all perform the ranging function,with some default minimum distance before,say,you fire a 12-VDC solenoid,which jerks the chin out of harm's way just in time.
Remember,the faster you drive,the briefer the event horizon before you tangle with road hazards.
I plan a simple cable operated front dam for the truck with a simple lever in the cab which I can operate like an emergency brake handle once I leave the city scape and get into highway operation where the dam will do it's work.
Even with a full bellypan,I'd rather the air go around than under the truck.
I give the idea the big thumbs-up and had hoped to already have it on the truck for what is now my aborted trip.
I say go for it,just don't get it so low it starts to add drag.And you may have to burn a little fuel trying to dial-in that magic dimension.Let us know how things fall together.And don't rush it,you don't want to end up like me,tearing up seven months work in seven hours!


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