Chrysler throws in towel on 200 (and Dart)
Cheap gas is helping buyers make a big mistake as pick up trucks and big SUVs are chosen to buy over fuel efficient cars.
. Chrysler Throws In Towel On Sedans: 200, Dart To Die For SUVs, Trucks . |
"We can't compete. So let's completely give up!"
Way to go, Chrysler! |
They need the manufacturing space to build more 18 mpg trucks for the soccer moms to drive the kids around in.
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At least Chrysler Mexico has the right attitude:
http://ecomodder.com/forum/attachmen...1&d=1454086378 The Dodge Attitude :D A re-branded 40 MPG 1.2L Mirage sedan. Which is coming to the States (as a Mitsu) this year. |
At least some of it isn't too wasteful- the Dart plant is going to be "converted" to build Cherokees. Jeep Darts. So, not too much converting to be done there, I guess.
By "full line" manufacturer, they mean fully vulnerable to every blip in the price of oil and fully ignoring both entry level and non-wasteful customers. |
"In setting the stage for the details that were released, Marchionne said FCA does not expect low fuel prices 'to fundamentally change, directionally,' and that it believes U.S. buyers' shift toward SUVs, crossover utility vehicles, and pickup trucks is permanent."
Hmmm...anyone else want to take that bet? |
I think there are three main factors that cause this, and it will take an entire generation to change things:
1) As the North American average waistline and body weight keep growing, so will the need for larger vehicles. 2) As the #1 consumerist society in the world, there's an ever increasing need for cargo space to carry all that stuff from the stores. I think more North Americans have garages full of stuff (crap) than garages with cars. 3) The public view of small cars and hatchbacks as being girly versus their love for my big manly 'Mmerican truck. I think the fuel consumption and gas prices do not matter so much for the sheeple. :D PS: as I walk my dog every evening through the neighbourhood I'm shocked to observe about 75% of houses have 2-3 cars parked in their driveways instead of their garage. In conclusion the word "garage" should be changed to "storage-space". ;) |
aww that sucks, I rented the Chrysler 200 one time. It got me 43mpg at 70mph (dashboard indicated) on my commute to work. It was quite nice inside too.
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I drive a couple somewhat infrequently. The one with the 4 cylinder FTL, says the guy who drives a Fit.
Pity, because it's a good platform and if they could have sorted that out properly it would have been awesome. |
If there is any company that consistently goes out of it's way to make bad decisions , it is Chrysler.
From being garbage mechanically (transmission problems, engines that sludge), to electronic failures (TIPM) to now, getting rid of small cars. I think Jeep, Dodge, Dodge truck er "RAM", Chrysler just need to be laid to rest. The only value was in Jeep - which has been destroyed and in the CUMMINGS TRUCK, BRO ... which has lost its edge since they get further and further away from the old 12v engine. |
Im sorry to say, none of you seem to understand business.
Item A: is small and entry level. Parts have to be specially engineered and not out of the stock bin. Price point cant exceed $x.xx (let'd say 27k). Limited profit per item. Limited buyers (btw, that's why the first gen small cars failed in the 70's. The couldn't afford to re-engineer so they were small cars built like big cars.) Item B: big and entry level to top of line. Wide range of options. Parts are normal size and can be swapped across the tool bin. Price point can exceed $XX.XX (let's say $60k) wide range of buyers. So, in review, I'm I company and accountable to myself, my Stockholders, my employees and finally my customers. A. in the back of my mind I have to remember that there is a FIXED cost per vehicle of wages and union benefits (driving my price point). B. it's easier to commonly share internal parts that are a common size. C. Trucks make up 1/2 (yes HALF) of all vehicles sold. D. trucks have the largest profit margin outside of luxury brands top models. I (as a company) don't care about whiney people who NEVER bought my new eco-cars when I made them. I care about staying in business and building what sells. You can all the emotional and illogical comments you want. But at the end of the day, BUSINESS is BUSINESS. |
I understand all that. I also understand that a lot of other companies have found ways to do it fairly successfully. This is why Chrysler pretty much sucks at business and thus why they've basically gone under and have been sold numerous times in the past decade and a half.
Having no small cars will yet again put them behind the pack as gas prices do go back up. The current prices are unsustainable as we all know (and even the Saudi's have admitted to). |
I do not doubt this is a sound business decision for the short term.
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Not blaming Fiat/ Chrysler. Just a sad sign of the times. I'm blaming cheap gas for allowing the general public to continue their head in the sand and selfish choices for personal transportation.
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And mid-size sedans in general are dying off, not just for Dodge/Chrysler. http://www.autonews.com/article/2015...-to-crossovers In spite of car sales growing, the mid-size sedan segment is decreasing. Not just because gas is cheap and buyers can afford something with poor fuel economy but because crossover SUV economy is UP and buyers can get a vehicle with more utility and nearly the same fuel economy. The mid-size sedan is now competing with the small crossover SUV, and the crossover is winning. I think this is a smart business move for FCA. They have a very limited selection of cars right now and need to focus on only the ones that are very profitable. |
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For the record, I bought a new eco-car less than two years ago. Chrysler didn't make anything comparable then, and now they're only moving further away. Contrast their behavior with that of Toyota or Hyundai, who are introducing new or redesigned economy models--they will be well-positioned when gas prices go back up. |
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Interior volume is one of the more important determinations of the size of a car as that's what you interact with when operating the vehicle... And, of course, overall length, height, and width. Meanwhile wheelbase is rather arbitrary in determining a vehicle size. Compare the 200 to the Malibu and Accord, and all three are within about 1" in height, width, and length despite the differing wheelbases. Camry too, but it's about 2" shorter. These are all mid-size cars. Meanwhile, the compact Corolla and Civic are both 10" shorter! I stand by my statement. Chrysler/Dodge makes no small car. EDIT: Actually, I just noticed something that may have tripped us both up. The 200 and Dart aren't the same car. 200 is a mid-size, Dart is a compact. |
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Too bad as I think the 200 is the best looking smallish siize car out there. With the 3.6 its pretty sporty too.
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DOE says that gas will be around $4/gal by 2020.
They are usually correct. Then everyone with a 14mpg truck that they are still paying on has to drive a 30 mile commute will freak out when gas starts to go over $3/gal. I drive a bug that is paid off. Even if gas gets so cheap they pay me to take it I am still keeping that stupid VW. |
I would rather drive a Mitsubishi than a Chrystler. The other part of the escalation is the number of people that want at least as large a vehicle as everyone else, so they are safer!
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I wonder if their 10 year plan includes them getting bailed out again? |
I always hear/read about these "Cummings" yet I've never seen one. :/
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So, Chrystler says that it does not make sense to produce small cars, but they are owned by Fiat, who makes small ugly cars...
Of all of the car companies to purchase another with a poor reputation for reliability... |
I'm not sure what's more concerning:
A. Chrysler making yet another dumb decision that will screw them in the long term or B. The fact that car manufacturers seem to be just rebadging everyone elses compacts lately. At this rate we'll eventually have a whopping two compact cars on the market. |
Chrysler was actually the first "domestic" company to make a small car that actually made a profit, the first generation Neon. Diamler ran them into the ground in the time they owned it. Stole the best, and let the government bail out the leftovers. Maybe it's just the curse of Jeep.
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Uh. Wrong! Chrysler suckered Daimler with 500 million already in hidden debt.
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The sooner I come to terms with the facts that people buy what they want instead of what they need, and oftentimes there is precious little overlap between the want and the need, the closer I may be to understanding them. |
Its a pretty sure bet that if some one buys a brand new pickup or low MPG SUV right now gas prices will skyrocket back up well over $3 a gallon and stay there before the vehicle is paid off.
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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wBY78BUtAI.../Photo5024.jpg Considering the current exchange rates for the BRL and USD, I wouldn't doubt it could also become available in the American market too when gas prices soar again. |
I consider those black bumpers going up into the fenders to be ugly.
The ugliness is not the point, though. They may sell attractive ones elsewhere. They may one day sell nice-looking ones here, but they are claiming it only makes sense to sell small cars under the Fiat name, so will they just rebadge them? |
It may make sense to delineate the makes.
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The Fiat Chrysler pairing seems to be a better match in many ways than the partnership with Mercedes even though Mercedes did bring great improvements to the sedan line up of Chrysler, they did not bring a small car expertise with them other than the woefully inadequate for the North American market, Smart Car. It is unfortunate FCA sees fit to end the 200 sedan and Dart2. I've looked at both. The 200 is really a nice sedan. The Dart needs some work but the drive-train shows some promise even though the car is much heavier than I feel it should be. Both vehicles have major platform components that reside in other vehicle lines thus the design and production capabilities are not lost in that regard if the need arises to produce a mid-size sedan and compact. However, it may mean they see a shift in the market that will see a long term move to the cross-over and it's ilk as the mainstay of the market. FCA's move to put hybrid drives in the mini-van line means you can get the economy of a small sedan and the roomy capability of a van/wagon/SUV. The introduction of the Fiat 500L hints at Fiat taking care of the smaller segments. |
It's a tough decision for them to make. I've spent a bunch of time with both the Dart and the 200. They're solid cars. The v6 Pentastar 200 boasts the highest horsepower rating in its class and it's FlexFuel, which opens the door for a high-octane tune. With AWD, it might just be the sleepiest sleeper out there, and it's not a gas-sucking pig. I thought about buying one. I still think about it.
Sergio needed production capacity. They're selling every Wrangler they can make and the international market is hungry. Moving the Cherokee out of the Toledo plant allows room for the upcoming Wrangler pickup. The Wrangler's state-side fuel-efficiency will take a bump up when they start selling the diesel version here. That's a good thing. My take is that Dodge will sell a compact and mid-size, but they won't build it. What if they rebadged a Mazda2, like the Scion, er Toyota, iA? That's one of the best affordable cars I've driven. What if they came up with a new top hat for the Mazda6? Another great car that doesn't sell in nearly the numbers it should. FCA is getting ready to tie up. Mazda is a possibility … |
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I was poking through ABG posts and found this:
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