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Old 12-21-2018, 09:28 AM   #4221 (permalink)
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What about fans ?





Some fans also work as cooler when equiped with water mist system, since water while evaporates take heats off. But it only works reasonable in very dry weather

I don't use air conditioned, I use a fan on my side during hot weather.
Why americans are so adicted to air conditioned ?

For cold, people could use clothes for cold weather, insted of warm the home interior up to use light clothes. But I know some countries are so cold in winter that home needs warming system at least in some degree.


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Old 12-21-2018, 09:46 AM   #4222 (permalink)
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Well what do you expect.
When electricity becomes stupid expensive people are going to chop down trees and burn them.
I like how they "almost doubled the price of electricity in 10 years" and only have 1.2% of solar power to show for it.
What's going to happen when 10% of their power comes from solar?
It's going to be down right unaffordable to most people.
Nah, it's mostly rapeseed oil etc. purposely planted for generating biodiesel, green waste and harvest residue. German forest mainly produce timber at a managed rate.
Once it becomes cost effective to produce solar farms and roofs the volume of that will go up and consequentially the price will come down.

In fact they already do. Subsidies are falling, they are close to being obsolete.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power_in_Germany

The falling subsidies have slowed the rate in which new panels are added a bit, but once net costs sink below profit it will definitely grow faster.
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I don't know if they can get much cheaper.
They are already made in China with 0 regard for the people who make them and the environment.
The only way the cost per watt might be able to go down more is if they make them a lot larger than the largest sizes already available.
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Ah yeah, 10 years ago solar panels were way more expensive than today.
That must be because back then they paid their workers enormous wages, but that's a thing of the past now.
It had nothing to do with up-scaling production to reduce costs, automation nor technological advances. And these things won't happen in the future either, despite the growing market (more than doubling every 2 years).

The costs will come down and it will be worthwhile to build and extend solar farms until there's a frequent overage of electricity. That will create a new kind of market though.

Solar can never be the only source of energy, but it can make a solid contribution in 5 to 10 years from now.
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I think the realistic numbers are the world can probably increase solar power generation 5x what it is now in 10 years.
So Germany might make 6 or 7% of their energy with solar in 10 years.
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Home solar power can increase, but when it became as much as 50% of population, the need to home energy storage will start to became very significative.
Right now we can put solar panels to generate the energy we consume by day and a extra to what we would consume by night, and sell to the energy company the extra energy from day and get credits to pay what we consume at night, since the extra energy from day it's directed to the grid and so to people which have not solar panels.
But if everyone would do that, get solar panels, the extra energy could not be redirected to other consumers and the entire credit system would fail, despite some could be directed to the industry.

Low battery prices are a key factor if we think about solar power rise as a huge energy source in the future.

Energy storage it's what we need if we think in solar power rise and became one of the main energy sources.

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So Germany might make 6 or 7% of their energy with solar in 10 years.

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Germany has less sun than Alaska.
Hence the 11% average capacity factor of their solar panels. A dramatic waste of money at that point but will be better than nothing eventually.
 
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No denying any of that. This is essentially what I've been saying, that gentle yet progressive taxation is probably the best way to steer consumers and industry into less waste.

My point though is that this merely delays warming by trivial amounts of time. As a thought experiment, it would be interesting to know what level of fossil fuel consumption would hold CO2 steady given our current population and assuming it doesn't grow.

US energy consumption is highest per capita, but our population hardly grows, and has remained relatively steady. We've got lots of room to cut, and it should be cut, but the problem is much bigger than the US.



Notice that energy consumption drops with the health of the economy. They are strongly correlated.


As an aside, air travel is a very efficient means of travel. It can be near 100 passenger miles per gallon. 2 people in my Prius breaks even, and it would take 3 to exceed that efficiency. For the average vehicle, it takes 4 passengers to equal the efficiency of air travel.
To remain 'steady',it would have to be zero emissions to keep us at 407 ppmv.
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Al Gore would love those “delicious gold bars” on his side of the scale for his carbon credit scheme...

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Then there’s this.

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In these cases, it was Albert Arnold Gore...

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• The past year, Gore’s home energy use averaged 19,241 kilowatt hours (kWh) every month, compared to the U.S. household average of 901 kWh per month.3,4
• Gore guzzles more electricity in one year than the average American family uses in 21 years.5
• In September of 2016, Gore’s home consumed 30,993 kWh in just one month – as much energy as a typical American family burns in 34 months.
• During the last 12 months, Gore devoured 66,159 kWh of electricity just heating his pool. That is enough energy to power six average U.S. households for a year.
• From August 2016 through July 2017, Gore spent almost $22,000 on electricity bills.










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