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Bicycle Bob 04-28-2014 08:47 PM

Constant Camber Skirts
 
I've seen people put an awful lot of effort into making fender skirts to fit their wheelwell openings, often with awkward results. Why not just make a panel that overlaps on the body to a nice-looking place for a seam? You get shapes like sponsons, or that some 50s custom cars had. 4-doors will need a break at the door edge, but you can still carry the shape forward. The non-removable front bit is easy.
We have all seen plywood boats made by bending and twisting flat panels, and may have recognized some molded plywood ones, but few people know about Constant Camber panels. Those are sheets of plywood that are a bit concave to start with, and then get bent and twisted to a final shape that is much stronger and more graceful. One or two panel molds are enough for great versatility in design.
So - why not look for body parts like roof corners as possible sources of shapes for fender skirt bubbles? The steel can be cut from a junker with a sawzall, or you can mold either fiberglass or thermoplastic onto the shape.
I was noodling around with the idea of making a couple of molds, and having templates to trim skirts for various car models, but I'm not likely to get around to it myself.

MetroMPG 04-29-2014 10:03 AM

I imagine one reason for focusing on the wheel arch itself is they're a handy spot to make attachment points. Also, the skirt needs to be easily removable to change a wheel.

I'd like to see an image of what you have in mind though.

Bicycle Bob 04-29-2014 10:33 AM

A big skirt can still have it's grippers at the wheel well, and a soft edge to save the paint on the fender. On some cars, the skirt could easily go to the back bumper. Wherever wide track meets a rounded rocker panel, a longer skirt can help smooth things out and cover more of the wheel. Sometimes, a hinge would work well as one mounting point.

No pics today, but you can get an idea of how to work with constant camber panels by cutting shapes from blister packs as little models to play with.

redneck 04-29-2014 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bicycle Bob (Post 422134)
A big skirt can still have it's grippers at the wheel well, and a soft edge to save the paint on the fender. On some cars, the skirt could easily go to the back bumper. Wherever wide track meets a rounded rocker panel, a longer skirt can help smooth things out and cover more of the wheel. Sometimes, a hinge would work well as one mounting point.

No pics today, but you can get an idea of how to work with constant camber panels by cutting shapes from blister packs as little models to play with.


Bingo...

Great minds think alike. Large panels to even out the transitions.

This is what I'm in the process of doing right now.

A BIG skirt for my "little blue" and more... :D

I'll post pic's in my "Boat tail - Redneck style" thread when I'm done.

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NachtRitter 04-29-2014 01:06 PM

I think I see what you're getting at... actually something similar to the VX here:
http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/a...1/P1010111.jpg
Except that the fender skirt could start even further forward...

aerohead 04-29-2014 06:49 PM

body parts
 
I've collected molded plastic signs,children's tubular plastic slides,barbecue grills,wheel barrows,boat fuel tanks,flower vases,lamp bases,architectural outdoor lamp fixtures,aircraft fairings,canoes,kayaks,and boats,to use portions for molds.
There are compound exotic shapes all around us!:)

Superfuelgero 04-29-2014 09:39 PM

I was thinking about this using the ricer fender flares (full panel), but deleting the wheel opening. I've also thought about this using patch panels and a old door (for compound curve /trim areas).

Bicycle Bob 04-30-2014 03:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NachtRitter (Post 422148)
I think I see what you're getting at... actually something similar to the VX above ^
Except that the fender skirt could start even further forward...

You've done me one better, using the skirt to ease the transition to the kamm-back.
Some of the '50s skirts I wish I had pics of were probably inspired by drop tanks, with the maximum depth centered on the wheel to cover as much of it as possible. A good-looking ecomod will get copied by a far wider range of drivers.

Frank Lee 04-30-2014 04:39 AM

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r.../mercdsmny.jpg

I posted this years ago...

aerohead 04-30-2014 12:58 PM

further forward
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NachtRitter (Post 422148)
I think I see what you're getting at... actually something similar to the VX here:
http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/a...1/P1010111.jpg
Except that the fender skirt could start even further forward...

You can see how Kamm bumped the body out below the beltline just enough to get the rear wheels contained within the skirt,going all the way to the dividing line between the doors.He also uses the rocker panel as a flow fence to mitigate comingling of underbody/side flow.
http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/...3-29BampW1.jpg

freebeard 05-02-2014 02:25 PM

bubble fender skirts - Google Search
http://www.autotraderclassics.com/im...5811/75811.jpg

I was looking at pushing the front fender edge up to the door cutline here, I didn't get into what's fender and what's skirt:
http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-fr...-untitled2.pnghttp://ecomodder.com/forum/member-fr...6-12-58-10.png

Big time 05-03-2014 04:55 PM

I'm lost.
Would somebody post a pic to explain on what the OP meant by constant camber?

freebeard 05-04-2014 01:05 AM

I assert 'constant camber'='bubble skirt'.

http://www.autotraderclassics.com/im...5811/75811.jpg

This ones more like the '57 Mercury Turnpike Cruiser,

http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/a...1/P1010111.jpg

Superfuelgero 06-09-2014 04:57 PM

I've started looking at Monokote for this. You can buy large sheets that would save the plugging step of fiberglass.

jedi_sol 06-09-2014 05:16 PM

Here is the skirt i made out of fiberglass for my old Del sol.

The del sol body was really "bulge -y." Simply bolting on a cover on wheel wells would not allow smooth flow. Therefore, i used a coroplast sheet, extended the "leading" edge to contour better with the body....then fiberglassed it.

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m...r/IMAG0405.jpg

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m...r/IMAG0409.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m...r/IMAG0411.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m...r/IMAG0554.jpg

Unfortunately, i never got around to make the passenger side skirt :)

freebeard 06-09-2014 08:44 PM

http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/f...ps119027c4.jpg

Have you looked at http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...tml#post428353? Everything that is not blue has been redone.

Varn 06-09-2014 09:26 PM

Bob
Stretch some polyester cloth over a form. I have used wire and and foam as forms. The cloth can be covered with a layer of composite cloth and have epoxy painted on. I got the idea from watching a TV show of someone making speaker enclosures in the back of a car.


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