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MetroMPG 07-06-2011 07:05 PM

"Conventional" hybrids kicked out of California carpool lanes
 
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Image source: http://flapsblog.com/2005/08/26/cali...sticker-shock/

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From Friday 1 July 2011 onwards, hybrid cars are no longer allowed to travel in carpool lanes in California, as the law which allowed them to do so was revoked.

This privilege will now be reserved for plug-in hybrids, fully electric cars and compressed natural gas vehicles. According to the Los Angeles Times, “up to 40,000 new-generation clean-running vehicles – primarily plug-in hybrids, like the new plug-in Prius — will receive carpool stickers under a new program beginning in 2012.

The new rules are designed to encourage motorists to buy the lowest emission forms of transport, encourage car sharing and also reduce traffic in carpool lanes at a time when some of the lanes were becoming more congested.
Full article: cars21.com California policy update for cleaner transport

cfg83 07-06-2011 07:13 PM

MetroMPG -

The silver lining(?) is that this will negate the "carpool sticker" premium that a minority of used hybrids currently have.

CarloSW2

MetroMPG 07-06-2011 07:17 PM

Right! Never thought of that. An example of "unintended consequences" for sure.

Frank Lee 07-06-2011 10:04 PM

Every 4th car in CA is a Prius so I suppose the carpool lane was congested with them.

Mr. Pancake 07-06-2011 10:21 PM

Do SUVs have to use the shoulder?

gone-ot 07-06-2011 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Pancake (Post 248794)
Do SUVs have to use the shoulder?

...nah, that's only done when they're "texting & driving" (shrug,shrug)!

JasonG 07-07-2011 12:31 AM

Shame a "Hybid" Lexus getting what, mid 20s maybe 30MPG gets a carpool sticker but a Metro/TDI/Basjoos/etc getting 50MPG (and up) get stuck in traffic.
It was a good law, but was too abused by the mild hybrids.
This goes hand and hand with the 80MPH Priuses (sp?) thread.

tjts1 07-07-2011 12:52 AM

The only thing carpool lanes have ever done is create more congestion.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JasonG (Post 248819)
Shame a "Hybid" Lexus getting what, mid 20s maybe 30MPG gets a carpool sticker but a Metro/TDI/Basjoos/etc getting 50MPG (and up) get stuck in traffic.
It was a good law, but was too abused by the mild hybrids.
This goes hand and hand with the 80MPH Priuses (sp?) thread.

No. You need to look up the regulation.

dcb 07-07-2011 12:54 AM

Yah, the TDI and metro/basjoos crowd need to organize like what the ABATE folks did to get motorcycles in the HOV lane. The numbers might not be there yet but I'm sure they are growing (ok, maybe just wishing)

bwilson4web 07-07-2011 01:17 AM

Prius at 80 MPH Thread (successfully hijacked!)
 
I supposed it had to happen eventually:
Quote:

Originally Posted by JasonG (Post 248819)
. . . the 80MPH Priuses (sp?) thread.

1.5L, NHW11 Prius @80 MPH ~= 19 MPG and accelerating, 101 ft{3}

http://hiwaay.net/~bzwilson/prius/pri_100mph.jpg
Still accelerating, ~19 MPG . . . 'JasonG' what is your MPG at 80 mph? How much volume for your passengers and luggage?

1.5L, NHW20 Prius @80 MPH ~= 39 MPG 112 ft{3}

http://hiwaay.net/~bzwilson/prius/epa.jpg
Roughly 39 MPG, 'JasonG' what is your MPG at 80 mph? How much volume for your passengers and luggage?

1.8L, ZVW30 Prius @80 MPH ~= 39 MPG 116 ft{3}

http://hiwaay.net/~bzwilson/prius/pri_2010_800.jpg
Between 40 MPG indicated and 37 MPG true . . . so 'JasonG" what is your MPG at 80 mph? How much volume for your passengers and luggage?

The interesting thing is I choose to have the facts and data and had mine and other Prius up to 80 mph and measured the MPG. JasonG, were is your data?

Experimenters can dial in any MPG they choose because they carefully and deliberately measure performance. I do it because I want to know the truth. It is what separates those who speculate or cowardly cast false dispersions on others, the cheap talk that deserves to be held up for compare and contrast.

So 'JasonG', your turn. You have an answer, a hard, cold fact based answer. Stand-up and show your data.

Bob Wilson

ps. The reason I knew these answers also goes back to the "Green Human" nonsense of January 2009 when a marketing company tried to pit an NHW20 Prius against a Jetta TDI in the middle of winter on an 8,000 mile, highway 'head to head' test. They found the cars came within less than 1 MPG yet the full-size Prius had more space and volume than the compact Jetta TDI. I'm tired of snarkie bullies who think they can with impunity make false, lying claims (in their ignorance) and not get hit by a 'clue by four.'


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