Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > Hybrids
Register Now
 Register Now
 

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 04-05-2012, 12:54 AM   #31 (permalink)
(:
 
Frank Lee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: up north
Posts: 12,762

Blue - '93 Ford Tempo
Last 3: 27.29 mpg (US)

F150 - '94 Ford F150 XLT 4x4
90 day: 18.5 mpg (US)

Sport Coupe - '92 Ford Tempo GL
Last 3: 69.62 mpg (US)

ShWing! - '82 honda gold wing Interstate
90 day: 33.65 mpg (US)

Moon Unit - '98 Mercury Sable LX Wagon
90 day: 21.24 mpg (US)
Thanks: 1,585
Thanked 3,555 Times in 2,218 Posts
Hey man, I love that hat, and the ladies can't get enough of it.

If you hate Volts so much, the answer is simple: don't buy one.

__________________


  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Frank Lee For This Useful Post:
Ryland (04-05-2012)
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 04-05-2012, 01:12 AM   #32 (permalink)
Drive less save more
 
ecomodded's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Vancouver Island, Canada
Posts: 1,189

Dusty - '98 VOLKSWAGEN Beetle TDI
TEAM VW AUDI Group
90 day: 60.42 mpg (US)
Thanks: 134
Thanked 162 Times in 135 Posts
Well all things aside, meaning your hat, i think its obvious to say that I will not be buying a Volt. By all means please go out and buy one yourself ! but your not as stupid as your avatar denotes,I'm sure, so you will pass as will most. Lets put the blame where it belongs, and that's not with me its with the Volt, I am the bearer of bad news ! Next review I post I will write myself :-)
__________________
Save gas
Ride a Mtn bike for errands exercise entertainment and outright fun
__________________




Last edited by ecomodded; 04-05-2012 at 01:25 AM..
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2012, 05:35 AM   #33 (permalink)
Eco-ventor
 
jakobnev's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: sweden
Posts: 1,631

Princess - '92 Mazda MX-3 GS
House of Tudor
Team Mazda
90 day: 53.54 mpg (US)

Shirubāarō (*´ω`*) - '05 Toyota Prius Executive
Team Toyota
90 day: 54.88 mpg (US)

Blue Thunder - '20 Hyundai IONIQ Trend PHEV
Team Hyundai
Plug-in Hybrids
90 day: 587.16 mpg (US)
Thanks: 74
Thanked 702 Times in 445 Posts
Send a message via MSN to jakobnev
ecomodded -

If you are the sort of person who'd stop and charge for ten hours mid-trip, with a car that was specifically designed so that you don't have to do that! Then the Volt is not for you. The same way that if you were the sort of person that drove with the roof down in the rain and roof up in good weather, a convertible would not be for you.
__________________




2016: 128.75L for 1875.00km => 6.87L/100km (34.3MPG US)
2017: 209.14L for 4244.00km => 4.93L/100km (47.7MPG US)
  Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to jakobnev For This Useful Post:
Frank Lee (04-06-2012), jamesqf (04-05-2012), Ryland (04-06-2012), Simtronic (04-05-2012)
Old 04-05-2012, 08:07 AM   #34 (permalink)
EcoModding Lurker
 
Ed-in-Maine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Maine
Posts: 69

Iceberg - '02 Ford F250 XLT
Pickups
90 day: 18.3 mpg (US)

Tool - '08 Toyota Matrix XR
Team Toyota
90 day: 43.15 mpg (US)
Thanks: 24
Thanked 18 Times in 7 Posts
Wow what a distorted article, at first I thought it was just straight out made up whole cloth for who knows what reason.

But then to find out that it's a real report by Mr Bolling on a business show just screams "follow the money". I've never heard of Mr Bolling but IMO he must be bought and paid for by some interested party, or he is simply a fool. So now my mind is spinning, who benefits in printing this type of distortion?

PS my business is investing, and I rarely and I mean rarely watch Fox business but if this article is an example of it's quality I haven't missed much.
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Ed-in-Maine For This Useful Post:
Frank Lee (04-06-2012)
Old 04-05-2012, 09:05 AM   #35 (permalink)
Simtronic
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Surrey, England
Posts: 4
Thanks: 1
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Send a message via MSN to Simtronic
volt

The way I see it is the volt is overpriced like they want to recover development costs too quickly or use it to get you into the showroom to then hook you with another in their range but the more that are sold the quicker the price will come down. It is certainly a good car for those with short commutes, that don't often do long journeys, and haven't got a second car. Once a few more range extended electric cars are around the competition will bring the prices down too. Why look at the battery only range it is clearly a duel fuel car on longer journeys with the benefit of being an electric one with decent performance for short ones.
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2012, 09:13 AM   #36 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Ryland's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Western Wisconsin
Posts: 3,903

honda cb125 - '74 Honda CB 125 S1
90 day: 79.71 mpg (US)

green wedge - '81 Commuter Vehicles Inc. Commuti-Car

Blue VX - '93 Honda Civic VX
Thanks: 867
Thanked 434 Times in 354 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by ecomodded View Post
For a person who is retired or works close too home and does not go out a lot it may well be as you claim.
How much does the average person drive per year? 10,000 to 15,000 miles per year, at 15,000 miles per year that is 41 miles per day or 8 miles per day on gasoline, if you are driving that far per day chances are it's on the highway where you would use 81 gallons of fuel per year, but even if it's in town, getting lousy mileage it's only 91 gallons of fuel per year, compare that to the 468 gallons of fuel that someone getting 32mpg would otherwise use and that is of course assuming that you do all of that driving without being able to plug in, like I am able to do at work, and if you drive 10,000 miles per year then you average out to 27 miles per day of driving without using gasoline.

Quote:

After all it can only travel 33 miles on its battery.
my point is the car sucks.
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Ryland For This Useful Post:
Frank Lee (04-06-2012)
Old 04-05-2012, 09:37 AM   #37 (permalink)
(:
 
Frank Lee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: up north
Posts: 12,762

Blue - '93 Ford Tempo
Last 3: 27.29 mpg (US)

F150 - '94 Ford F150 XLT 4x4
90 day: 18.5 mpg (US)

Sport Coupe - '92 Ford Tempo GL
Last 3: 69.62 mpg (US)

ShWing! - '82 honda gold wing Interstate
90 day: 33.65 mpg (US)

Moon Unit - '98 Mercury Sable LX Wagon
90 day: 21.24 mpg (US)
Thanks: 1,585
Thanked 3,555 Times in 2,218 Posts
I believe this is yet another of those situations where the facts have no bearing on the guy's opinion. Faux Noise viewers seem to have that a lot.
__________________


  Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2012, 02:41 PM   #38 (permalink)
Drive less save more
 
ecomodded's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Vancouver Island, Canada
Posts: 1,189

Dusty - '98 VOLKSWAGEN Beetle TDI
TEAM VW AUDI Group
90 day: 60.42 mpg (US)
Thanks: 134
Thanked 162 Times in 135 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryland View Post
How much does the average person drive per year? 10,000 to 15,000 miles per year, at 15,000 miles per year that is 41 miles per day or 8 miles per day on gasoline, if you are driving that far per day chances are it's on the highway where you would use 81 gallons of fuel per year, but even if it's in town, getting lousy mileage it's only 91 gallons of fuel per year, compare that to the 468 gallons of fuel that someone getting 32mpg would otherwise use and that is of course assuming that you do all of that driving without being able to plug in, like I am able to do at work, and if you drive 10,000 miles per year then you average out to 27 miles per day of driving without using gasoline.
As i stated earlier in agreement with the fact that under ideal condition the Volt "Appears" to get good mileage, outside of the ideal condition AKA reality the cars mileage sucks, 32 city 36 hwy. Fail.
I hope we can agree that there is two sides to this coin. I do and agree that for the right individual the Volt will suffice if used as a electric short range (33mile) vehicle.
I just can not get past its gas motors economy. Compare the Volt to a diesel Jetta (similar size) with its 50+mpg fuel economy and the obvious stands out, the Volt is a fail.
and Frank buy one you will love it.. j/k
__________________
Save gas
Ride a Mtn bike for errands exercise entertainment and outright fun
__________________




Last edited by ecomodded; 04-05-2012 at 04:53 PM..
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2012, 11:13 PM   #39 (permalink)
EcoModding Apprentice
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: central Ohio
Posts: 122

Gray Jellybean - '00 Honda Insight
90 day: 62.76 mpg (US)
Thanks: 2
Thanked 16 Times in 11 Posts
You want to compare the Volt's worst case scenario to a VW diesel's optimistic output. Reality is that if you compare new to new, a 2011 VW is high 30s under "normal" conditions. Yes, we can do a lot better, but your average driver won't. Or, if you prefer, compare ideal 2011 VW numbers (60s? 70?) to ideal Volt (up to 93 equivalent if all electric). If you prefer, Edmunds's True Cost to Own says a Volt's 5 year cost of ownership is about about $38,000. A base Jetta diesel auto is within a few options of being the same. A Passat is about the same as a Volt without the government tax credit. Is it worth it? From a purely economic standpoint, no. We could do a lot worse though.
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to payne171 For This Useful Post:
Ryland (04-06-2012)
Old 04-05-2012, 11:54 PM   #40 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: houston
Posts: 374

Black Knight - '94 Toyota Corolla
Team Toyota
90 day: 58.53 mpg (US)
Thanks: 3
Thanked 38 Times in 33 Posts
what about the NYT. its more left leaning

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/05/bu...wait.html?_r=1

it comes down to like every thing on EM. To each their own. To me the volt should have been a Diesel.


Last edited by deathtrain; 04-06-2012 at 12:03 AM..
  Reply With Quote
Reply  Post New Thread






Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com