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 ecomodded 03-26-2012 07:13 PM

cost of ownership for the chevy volt

I received this cost of ownership account and at first I thought this must be false then I did some internet searches to get to the bottom of it and low and behold it turned out to be true.

test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors.

For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only

25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine.

Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it

ran on the battery.

So, the range including the 9 gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh

battery is approximately 270 miles.

It will take you 4 1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph.

Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a

total trip time of 14.5 hours.

charging time) would be 20 mph.

According to General Motors, the Volt battery hold 16 kwh

Of electricity.

It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery.

The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never

mentioned so I looked up what I pay for electricity.

I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the

seasons) \$1.16 per kwh.

16 kwh x \$1.16 per kwh = \$18.56 to charge the battery.

\$18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = \$0.74 per mile to

operate the Volt using the battery.

Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine

only that gets 32 mpg.

\$3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = \$0.10 per mile.

The gasoline powered car cost about \$15,000 while

the Volt costs \$46,000.........

So Chevy wants us to pay 3 times as much, for

a car that costs more that 7 times as much to run, and

takes 3 times longer to drive across country.....:confused:

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 jakobnev 03-26-2012 07:29 PM

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Fox *pure excrement*
Dumbest way of counting anything i have ever seen.

 Frank Lee 03-26-2012 07:41 PM

Total rubbish. :rolleyes:

 ecomodded 03-26-2012 07:42 PM

Hard to believe isn't it.
But its a FAIL !

 Frank Lee 03-26-2012 07:48 PM

I only had to read as far as "faux noise" to know what was coming...

 cfg83 03-26-2012 08:49 PM

Frank -

I only had to look at one number, \$1.16 per kWh :

Are You Paying More Than Average for Electricity

http://www.lowerelectricbilltoday.co...ctric-Bill.jpg
Quote:
 The average price that people pay for electricity based on the per kWh price varies significantly from region to region. For example, the non-contiguous states (Alaska and Hawaii) pay an average of 21.34 cents per kWh. In contrast, the West North Central States (including Iowa, Nebraska and Minnesota among others) are paying only 9.07 cents per kWh. Within each region, the amount can vary from state to state. For example, Vermont and Connecticut are both in New England where the average rate is 17.5 cents per kWh but Vermont averages only 14.9 cents per kWh whereas Connecticut averages 20.36 cents per kWh.
In the above example the range is between 9.07 and 12.34 cents per kWh. When you divide the claimed \$1.16 cost by the actual costs you get a *range* of error between 543% and 1278% :

Code:

```Hawaii    = \$1.16 kWh / \$0.2134 kWh =  5.43 =>  543% error Minnesota = \$1.16 kWh / \$0.0907 kWh = 12.78 => 1278% error```
Now let's look at a Canadian power bill :

Ontario’s Power Trip: The 20% hydro grab | FP Comment | Financial Post

http://financialpostopinion.files.wo...-bill-eps1.jpg

The bill is based on 2480 kWh of usage (for two months). Taking the highest and lowest costs leads to this :

Code:

```highest = \$359.05 / 2480 kWh = \$0.1447 => 14.47 cents per kWh => \$0.15 per kWh  lowest  = \$297.86 / 2480 kWh = \$0.1201 => 12.01 cents per kWh => \$0.12 per kWh```
When you divide the claimed \$1.16 cost by the Canadian article cost you get a *range* of error between 773% and 966% :

Code:

```highest = \$1.16 kWh / \$0.15 kWh = 7.73 => 773% error lowest  = \$1.16 kWh / \$0.12 kWh = 9.66 => 966% error```
CarloSW2

 roosterk0031 03-26-2012 08:59 PM

I think your messed up your KWH cost, I haven't looked at my wife's bill in a year or 2 but last time it was closer to \$0.12/KWH, so just saying 0.16/KWH X 16 = \$2.56. \$2.56/25 miles = .10/mile, little cheaper per mile than my Stratus, but not much, and it didn't cost 40k.

Edit: CFG beat me to it, too slow typing.

 Frank Lee 03-26-2012 10:25 PM

Carlos: exactly... but there's so much more wrong with it too!

Battery charge time isn't trip time especially if you don't need to charge the battery to keep going- just drive, drive, drive, gas up, and drive some more, just like any other car.

Or, it appears Faux didn't include fueling time for the gasser.

The electricity AND gas prices are whacked.

IIRC the Volt's battery is good for much more than 25 miles... unless one is driving like a complete ass, and desperately trying to slant their story...

I'd like to know where the utilities vary the electric rate per kwh by season??? :rolleyes: At \$1.16 his vs \$0.09 mine- a discrepancy of almost a factor of 13?!?- I wonder if that buffoon is as big a failure at reading as he is at driving and writing.

 deathtrain 03-26-2012 11:27 PM

I read that and there is more to the writing. I read fox news everyday but I dont read it or anything as the holly trinity. I read and make my own opinion. But the point ( that I got) no matter how you look at the numbers... he car is not worth 40k+

now would one of us that hypermile and are aware of our driving habits get better numbers. hell yes we would. did this person just jump in and drive it like stole it like the rest of the population does hell yes he did. So half of me agrees with you guys. the other half don't.

The average person is a consumer
The average ecomodder will recycle, reuse and repurpose.

 Frank Lee 03-26-2012 11:44 PM

You want examples of vehicles not worth \$40,000, look at Yuck Ons, Escapades, lots of these fancy-boy pickups that aren't meant for work, any BMW or Merc...

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