diesel kia power smoother drive but no savings
 

We've got an HHO generator installed in a 2006 kia sorento. The vehicle runs better, with more power and the machine is very quiet. We installed the MAF sensor enhancer and the client says still doesn't get any savings. We know the system works, as we have others installed working well and generating savings (even with Natural Gas run vehicles). This one is a puzzle for us. We don't seem to find anything else to check and tune. We greatly appreciate the help. Thanks a lot!

Could be this driver has not changed his driving style like the other drivers who reported gains did.

That's my understanding of how those little add on HHO systems work.

Maybe you found some one not willing to lie to them selves even after flushing all that money down the pooper.

I cannot sell you the idea if you din't like it. We have vehicles working very well, and with savings in gas consumption using the HHO generator, as an additive... so your comment really doesn't help us. Thanks anyway for taking the time to post something.

Our first thought, but the client says it's not the case.

Its a diesel and does not run at a set AFR. So even though you are trying to fool the cars computer by "enhancing" the MAF. The computer should be smart enough to say what the hell that cant be right then ignore the MAF and run in speed density (SD) mode or run off a back up table that will guess the amount of air incoming using other sensors and info like gear, RPM, Air temp, and MAP (air pressure).

My 98 Bonneville could even do that being gas powered. How do I know... I ran without the MAF to tune SD for a fall back and to help smooth transients.

Why not use Lab strength Hydrogen peroxide over a homemade catalyst plate ?

Make something real instead of these mini HHO add on "systems" with no more punch then a dog's fart and that is debatable.

Toy sized HHO's are just that toys, get some lab strength peroxide a catalyst and make a real HHO generator and present it here.

The toy sized one is a fail.


So build a real one already..

It uses Lab grade chemicals, it's built in 316 Stainless Steel plates. It's not a homemade device. We hoped in this forum people would try to help, instead of being rude without asking first, just because they don't believe in the technology.

It's hard to believe in something that has never, ever worked.

Like swamp land - technically its land and it is on a map so its alright to buy ?

Could we see your system mounted and performing its miracles so we can get the full jest of your proposition.

Perhaps you should look at using platinum electrodes and a synchronous rectifier alternator. Your overall efficiency losses will be less and your customers will loose less mileage that way.

Oh, I got the full jest of it already.

Just where did that snake oil salesman get to ? it appears he left out the backdoor , probably off to another forum before he gets busted and strung up on this one, oh wait he already did..

The people who sent the first platypus back to England had the same problems. We know that there is conservation of energy. There are some ways to optimize combustion by adjusting the fuel volatility. In the end the best way to improve efficiency is to raise compression ratio.
There are two aspects. One is the efficiency of producing the gas and the other is improving the efficiency of the engine. My limited knowledge of natural gas diesels suggests that different injectors and timing might be needed.

No, the patent process isn't done yet, the lawyer won't let us. And I'm not trying to sell you one anyway, so no need.

We don't think the rectifier alternator is needed, as we have no problems with either the Amperage nor current lost. As stated before, the cell works fine, pretty efficient.
The platinum electrodes are a good idea, but still won't help solving the problem we need help with.
Thanks anyway.

You need a flux capacitor to make your HHO generator work with a diesel.

Umm the synchronous rectifier alternator creates less load on the engine for every bit of electrical current you use. You do realize that every bit of current you draw from the alternator places a load on the engine right?

Quack alert! Once a patent application is filed, the inventor can say anything to anybody without jeopardizing the application. Patent applications MUST be filed before selling, or even offering for sale. After an invention is sold, or publicly disclosed, it is no longer patentable.

Anybody can apply for a patent, but they can only be granted for new inventions. I would really like to know just what (the inventor thinks) is patentable about snake oil.

I could see the patent being granted if the created hho gas was used to propel a frog on a skateboard.

But, but, but dear patent office, it's a really rare snake, a unicorall snake.

regards
Mech

Warning HHO System may cause dizziness and temporary stupidity

With these alternator driven micro HHO systems you get all the
Unicorn performance for 10x the Unicorn price.

If you hadn't already noticed :
As much as we like easy solutions to reduce fuel consumption, you'll find a lot of sceptics and scepticism about HHO generators here.

Adding an easily combustible gas to petrol or diesel helps combustion, but we're still looking for someone who can (f)actually prove an HHO system really works when the H2 needs to be generated on-board.


That's why HHO invariably ends up in the Unicorn Corral.

And there is a reason why HHO proponents make many posts telling us how wonderful their new system will be after they actually start it up. And more posts with bogus gas mileage misinformation.

But zero posts with properly documented ABAB test data. This post discusses how to properly test gas mileage improvements: http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...ery-11445.html

If the OP wants us to take him seriously, he needs act accordingly.