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All Darc 01-16-2020 08:24 PM

The Doctor Who Gave Up Drugs
 
I started to watch now. Let's see if it's reasonable and logic :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_ggnhpGvvA

redpoint5 01-16-2020 10:06 PM

Horrible premise. If you get a staph infection, you need to treat it with antibiotics unless you don't mind losing limbs. I'll try to watch it though.

That said, all of these documentaries that are "all or nothing" are ridiculous. Eat large size McDonalds for every meal and don't exercise, and there's no question a person is going to gain weight. That was an "experiment" that didn't need to be performed.

What about this for a premise; prescribe drugs as needed, in reasonable dosage?

All Darc 01-16-2020 10:26 PM

Please don't get it wrong by the title. He did not quite all drugs in medical profession. He just tried to reduce as much as possible with safety.

The title suggest a crazy radical doctor, but it's not like that at all.

All Darc 01-16-2020 10:38 PM

Don't miss part-2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjn4f8YHhfU

Hilarious how many doctors are so sh...t today that they get bride (sold themselves) by sandwiches, and don't even notice.
It's like Homer Simpson was a doctor :

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...h-prefix=pt-br

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DoRKLSEW0AAAPJv.jpg

oil pan 4 01-16-2020 11:41 PM

The problem is people don't listen to their dr.
People not doctors made the demand for a pill that does x, y or z.
If a Dr says you need to exercise occasionally and you don't they have a pill for heart failure.
Dr says you need to quit smoking and you don't they have a pill for copd.
And so on.

As long as people are looking for a Dr that isn't going to just dole out pills he will do well.

Xist 01-17-2020 12:38 AM

Quote:

[P]harmaceutical companies spend billions annually to influence physicians and other drug prescribers to write more prescriptions for their particular products.
https://health.usnews.com/health-car...they-prescribe

redpoint5 01-17-2020 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oil pan 4 (Post 615290)
The problem is people don't listen to their dr.
People not doctors made the demand for a pill that does x, y or z.
If a Dr says you need to exercise occasionally and you don't they have a pill for heart failure.
Dr says you need to quit smoking and you don't they have a pill for copd.
And so on.

As long as people are looking for a Dr that isn't going to just dole out pills he will do well.

Yes, exactly. Medicine is a product, and consumer demand shapes what that product looks like. If a doctor doesn't deliver the product a consumer wants, they will move on to a different "brand" that will.

There are different demands for medicine too. My wife prescribed an OTC medicine for a kid today, and the parent said they wouldn't try it because they were looking for a homeopathic remedy. Demand exists for things like magnets, copper bracelets, crystals, and such. Some people are more satisfied with remedies backed by the least science.

All Darc 01-17-2020 08:21 AM

The doctor in the documentary clearly showed that is possible to make the difference. And the documentary also showed how most doctors don't care about suggest alternatives and are manipulated by pharmaceutic industry.

Medicine it's a garbage.
Please watch the entire documentary, how many people got no longer in real chronic pain by in pain due long opioids use, problem created by the drugs.
Most drugs in such cases are nearly as bad as street drugs.

Homeopathics for other side are just placebo, charlatanism.
But in some cases such placebo charlatanism can help people quite sh...t dangerous drugs.

That's how some doctors that are not homeopathis believe in some homeopathy. They refuse to accept their work are most time a garbage, and when they see people getting better with placebo (get better after cut a bad prescription of allopathy) they feel need to accept homeopathy as true, since they refuse to admit their prescriptions was worse than nothing (worse then placebo). IN other words, arrogance leed them to believe in nothing (homeopathy it's nothing, just water).

Medicine... a bunch of clows.

redpoint5 01-17-2020 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by All Darc (Post 615315)
Medicine it's a garbage.
Please watch the entire documentary, how many people got no longer in real chronic pain by in pain due long opioids use, problem created by the drugs.
Most drugs in such cases are nearly as bad as street drugs.

Homeopathics for other side are just placebo, charlatanism.
But in some cases such placebo charlatanism can help people quite sh...t dangerous drugs.

I'm certainly critical of medicine. It's the area of science I believe is well behind other areas, and among the last to adopt new technology. We're just now transitioning to keeping electronic records for patients instead of stacks of paper. Even our electronic record keeping (in this country) consists of millions of individual databases, so if you go to one place for care, the next place won't have your records unless they explicitly transmit them to the other place (going through an inefficient translation process and duplicating the data).

This multiplication of information infrastructure is a large reason why healthcare in the US is so expensive, and it's why I would entertain a single-payer national health program despite my slight libertarian leanings.

Analytics are hardly used in medicine even though Walmart is using it extensively for unimportant things like which Star Wars merchandise to order more of. The difference is that Walmart has to compete with their competitors whose prices are transparent. That means every tool that can be leveraged gets used. In medicine, there's hardly any competition because you'll go to the hospital that is nearby and insurance prefers, see the doctor that is accepting new patients, and ask no questions about the cost of anything. Then the doctors don't want AI questioning their diagnosis because that reduces the perceived value of the doctor. Machine derived analytics aren't even used to aid doctors even though setting up such a system would be incredibly easy for a company like Google or Amazon.

Placebo is generally taught as a valid treatment in medicine. It's called sugar pill. If someone might benefit by "doing something" even when nothing is called for, prescribing a sugar pill, multivitamin, or some other innocuous thing can help.

I'll watch as I have time. Maybe while I do paperwork today.

jjackstone 01-17-2020 02:21 PM

I read the book "Roadmap to 100" by Walter Bortz MD several years ago. He also advocates fewer drugs and more exercise to live well. My favorite story in the book was when he was relating his experience when giving a presentation to a room full of doctors about a new drug that was able to increase blood flow by either growing or expanding arteries. He said the same result could be obtained through regular exercise. One of the doctors told him after the presentation that he couldn't make any money from people exercising. And that is where most doctors' heads are. Have to make money. JJ


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