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botsapper 10-16-2019 12:31 PM

Electric 'V-8' Crate Motor!
 
Classic car enthusiasts and their industry do not have to stop with the concerns of the internal combustion engines. Electric motor swaps are not unique but Electric GT company has created a modular GM LS-like 'V-8-shaped' electric crate motor capable to develop between 140-240 horsepower and between 240-340 pound-feet of torque. Order from the company, the right accessory package and drop the motor directly into whatever project car. Easier than a traditional gasoline-powered V-8 swap. This idea also informed the design of the motor and why it’s taken the shape it has.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-baqkODmmk

url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XodUn6XSB2A[/url]

Taylor95 10-16-2019 04:21 PM

EV conversions
 
For those interested in converting their vehicle to electric only power, someone is developing a "crate engine" that you can drop in a conventional vehicle and essentially convert it to an EV.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aut...v-conversions/

This is something that I have been waiting for. I suspect that the conversion will be much easier and more affordable in maybe 5 or 10 years. This is perfect for people like me who would like to keep a vehicle for a very long time. What is appealing about this is that you can utilize the same driveshaft/axle design that your vehicle already has, albeit you may have to make it stronger to handle the instant torque from the motor.

rob.e 10-17-2019 06:57 AM

this is a great idea. i'm very interested in this - any idea on pricing?

Piotrsko 10-17-2019 10:29 AM

Tis all well and good, but you still have the insufferable battery issues.

freebeard 10-20-2019 01:55 PM

Interesting. This is Eric Hutchinson, the guy that used to host The EV Show with Michael Bream at EV West. Example.

Here's the website: https://www.electricgt.com/

It appeared to be two siamesed AC induction motors:
Quote:

The product is a metal frame roughly in the shape of a V8 engine. Mounted to the frame are a pair of electric motors, such as the “AC50” or “AC51” motors commonly used in EV conversions, along with parts like a pair of motor controllers, and a DC-DC converter. The crate motor is sized so it fits into the same footprint as a V8 engine so that one can be swapped in to replace the existing gas engine.
https://longtailpipe.com/2019/10/19/...c-crate-motor/

edit:
As I think about it, it seems it's a glorified adapter plate (similar to Zelectric). Good idea though.

rob.e 10-21-2019 10:19 AM

There's also a company just up the road from me who's also thinking along the same lines - ie bolt in motor with all the controllers etc so you "just" need to mount this, connect up to your drive train and wire in some batteries and you're sorted.

;)

freebeard 10-21-2019 12:05 PM

OTOH Jack Rickard says the when the battery boxes are in the job is 80% done.

The only advantage I see is a clean installation that looks like what it isn't.

jjackstone 10-21-2019 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 609885)
OTOH Jack Rickard says the when the battery boxes are in the job is 80% done.

The only advantage I see is a clean installation that looks like what it isn't.

So now all we need is someone to develop a drop in battery solution.
JJ

Piotrsko 10-22-2019 10:10 AM

Many of the commercial battery packs for autos are plug & play, but mostly heavy or bulky.

elhigh 10-22-2019 11:01 AM

I kind of like it but I'm not really on board. If I'm going to convert to an EV, I want it to look the part. A motor that looks nothing like the old 22R is fine by me. If it isn't saddled with silly cladding, maybe we can package the hardware to fit a couple of battery modules up front with the motor, or make all the various components more easily serviceable.

Another EV conversion doohickey that recently broke out was this:

https://jalopnik.com/finally-an-elec...our-1839168140

Its big advantage is that it completely displaces an entire axle, and according to what I'm reading could be adapted to either front or rear drive (or if you're just that guy, both). Again, power output is modest but sufficient for a lot of older, lower powered applications. Their example is a classic Mini but I think it would rock under the rear of, for instance, a 30-year-old compact pickup.

Shaneajanderson 10-22-2019 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by elhigh (Post 610005)
I kind of like it but I'm not really on board. If I'm going to convert to an EV, I want it to look the part. A motor that looks nothing like the old 22R is fine by me. If it isn't saddled with silly cladding, maybe we can package the hardware to fit a couple of battery modules up front with the motor, or make all the various components more easily serviceable.

Another EV conversion doohickey that recently broke out was this:

https://jalopnik.com/finally-an-elec...our-1839168140

Its big advantage is that it completely displaces an entire axle, and according to what I'm reading could be adapted to either front or rear drive (or if you're just that guy, both). Again, power output is modest but sufficient for a lot of older, lower powered applications. Their example is a classic Mini but I think it would rock under the rear of, for instance, a 30-year-old compact pickup.

Similar to this line of thinking: I'd like to have something I could drop in my old F150 in place of the 302, still utilize my manual transmission and 4WD driveline, but small enough to have the batteries and possibly a small gas generator (for long trips) up front as well.

My primary usage for the pickup are snow days, a 60 mile round trip to get lumber and materials at Menards, and 1-2 500 mile round trips to church camp, pulling a camper. For that camper trip I'd probably have to run the generator for most of the trip, but figuring in all the fuel I'd save in the other usages it would probably be alright.

freebeard 10-22-2019 01:05 PM

Were I dealing with an archaic front engine/rear drive conversion, the batteries would go up front and the motor and a planetary two-speed would go where the transmission was. Inverter and fast charger would be tucked into corners.

thingstodo 10-22-2019 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaneajanderson (Post 610016)
Similar to this line of thinking: I'd like to have something I could drop in my old F150 in place of the 302, still utilize my manual transmission and 4WD driveline, but small enough to have the batteries and possibly a small gas generator (for long trips) up front as well.

My primary usage for the pickup are snow days, a 60 mile round trip to get lumber and materials at Menards, and 1-2 500 mile round trips to church camp, pulling a camper. For that camper trip I'd probably have to run the generator for most of the trip, but figuring in all the fuel I'd save in the other usages it would probably be alright.

If a bolt-in kit for an F-150 were available, I think it would sell quite well. And I would agree with @freebeard on that part fitting into the transmission tunnel. Batteries low in the front would be OK, but I would not want that weight higher up ... 4x4 tip too easy as it is! ;)

As for accessories on the crate motor ... would you want to keep the belt-drive for your power steering, power brakes? And that does not deal with heat for keeping the windows defrosted/defogged.

If you want it to still look like a gasser under the hood, I don't think the batteries will fit there. Under the bed is large, well-protected, and there are a number of holes in the frame that could be used as-is. Electrical cables from the rear to the front are easy. A rigid plastic conduit (orange) with a metal rock shield should be easy to route in the transmission tunnel.

When getting it inspected as read-worthy, you'd maybe want to not mention the generator. Off-the-shelf generators do not need to meet vehicle emissions. Unless you build your own from a motorcycle engine or a small diesel ...

Piotrsko 10-23-2019 10:54 AM

Power brakes have aftermarket elec pumps, ditto for hydraulic powered accessories.

Heat for the cabin and windows is the main power sink, can be partially solved by preheating a large coolant tank off house mains, but that's only good for perhaps 20 miles or so.

Shaneajanderson 10-24-2019 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thingstodo (Post 610048)
If a bolt-in kit for an F-150 were available, I think it would sell quite well. And I would agree with @freebeard on that part fitting into the transmission tunnel. Batteries low in the front would be OK, but I would not want that weight higher up ... 4x4 tip too easy as it is! ;)

As for accessories on the crate motor ... would you want to keep the belt-drive for your power steering, power brakes? And that does not deal with heat for keeping the windows defrosted/defogged.

If you want it to still look like a gasser under the hood, I don't think the batteries will fit there. Under the bed is large, well-protected, and there are a number of holes in the frame that could be used as-is. Electrical cables from the rear to the front are easy. A rigid plastic conduit (orange) with a metal rock shield should be easy to route in the transmission tunnel.

When getting it inspected as read-worthy, you'd maybe want to not mention the generator. Off-the-shelf generators do not need to meet vehicle emissions. Unless you build your own from a motorcycle engine or a small diesel ...

I would probably figure out a way to have electric power steering, possibly as simple as having a hydraulic pump with a pressure reservoir, so that when I need to steer the pressure is there, and the pump can kick back in and re-pressurize as needed.

Power brakes would be deleted, they are entirely unnecessary, same story with air conditioning.

Thinking about your response I would likely removed the rear fuel tank and locate the batteries back there, or maybe the front fuel tank if the weight distribution would work better that way.

I don't really care about if it still looks like a gasser, and there's no inspections in North Dakota, so I can run whatever I want under the hood.

elhigh 10-30-2019 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thingstodo (Post 610048)

As for accessories on the crate motor ... would you want to keep the belt-drive for your power steering, power brakes? And that does not deal with heat for keeping the windows defrosted/defogged.

I thought I read something about that and checking up on it, I was right, I did. Good news, no dementia yet. But I saw an article in Hot Rod Magazine about adapting a Prius electric power steering system to an older analog car - a Mustang in this case. EPS has been around for over 15 years now and been the standard equipment in lots of cars. I bet adapting an existing system to an older vehicle is doable.

If you're flush with cash, Ididit offers EPS columns and in the video I saw from them talking about their product, they were talking specifically about truck projects.


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