Ev that doesn't need to be plugged in.. Works in theory
 

I'm currently working on a way that an electric vehicle will never have to be plugged in. The vehicle will have 2 systems and 2 electric motors (one being smaller than the other). I have been told that this cannot work but no one has bothered to listen. There would be the drive motor turning the rear wheels and in the front would be multiple high output alternators , battery bank (for the drive system) and 2 regular car batteries that would power the smaller electric motor that would power everything in the cab of the truck i.e., stereo, speakers, lights, dash, headlights and tail lights etc etc. I look forward to your input

So you're saying the alternators in the front will generate electricity to power the motors in the rear? That won't work because of losses in the system. You are trying to invent a perpetual motion machine. No one has succeeded yet, and you won't either unless you have found a way around the laws of physics.

Or do I not understand your proposed system?

I think the alternators are going to be powered by a 500hp V8. Should all be good!

Repeat after me:

"Perpetual motion is impossible! Perpetual motion is impossible! Perpetual motion is impossible! Perpetual motion is impossible!..."

Not regular alternators... High output alternators.. They would range anywhere from 180 amps to 350 amps or if I can find the parts I can put a generator together. I'm talking about 2 separate systems... In theory it should work.

As long as you are able to produce & store more power than it is needed to make the vehicle move, it should work. I haven't done the math, but I doubt those high output amp will be able to pump enough juice to move the vehicle forever. Do you do some math, and did you include any loss (drag, friction) in them ?
Maybe using a load of solar panels with those HO alt. would give enough power to move on the flat, but what about hills ?

I don't know. Seems to good to be true.

Neil I'm not talking about perpetual motion. I'm talking about having an onboard power generation unit persay. That's all an alternator is... A generator. And I'm talking about using more than one. One would go to poweringthe two car batteries that would power all of the accessories and while the electric motor in the engine compartment is turning it will also operate the power steering, air pump and air conditioning as well as the high output alternators.

That I don't know yet... I just had the idea a few days ago and haven't had the chance to build a small scale model i.e. A two seater go cart..

I can get them to pump out enough juice... That's not a problem.. Solar panels... Nah... Maybe a photovoltaic film on the exterior parts that get the most sun

Seems to good to be true... Maybe but not impossible... Nothing is impossible only improbable. I have the solution but now I only need to apply it to the problem and find a way for the two to fit

Ok I see where some people thought it was perpetual motion... Apparently I worded it wrong... My apologies... Sometimes my brain works faster than my fingers can type.

Ok... Worded one of my posts wrong again... I'm planning on having an electric motor in the front of the truck to turn the belt which in turn would turn the pulleys for the high output alternators (which would charge the battery bank), power steering, ac and air pump. The electric motor in the rear would just turn the rear wheels providing propulsion...

So what are you powering the alternators with?

And yes, some things are impossible.

OK, so the battery pack powers a motor that turns the alternators that recharge the battery pack? No, that won't work and is a form of a perpetual motion machine. There are power losses in each of those steps (energy is lost as heat) and you will get less power back in the pack than what you took out in the first place. It's a net loser. You don't even have to build it, I can tell you that it is impossible to make this work.

Once again... One car battery on will power everything in the cab of the truck including the headlights and taillights. And the other will power the electric motor... There will be more than one high output alternator or if I can get the parts a generator.

There is more than one battery bank. When I can get the time I will make a more refined schematic for y'all to see

How do you recharge the batteries if you don't plug it in?

It's possible.... And I will get it to work...

You need to make the time for that. Or at least a clear, concise paragraph. Failing that, I'm just going to start repeating after Neil.

It is impossible to make it work... Have you tried to build one? If so then where are the prototypes?... If you haven't tried to build what I am talking about then zip it! If you have tried then why don't we bounce ideas off of one another... By the way google ebm. It's a generator that can power itself as well as providing 4 mw of power. The commercial version puts out even more. The tech was developed back in 2000 in Hungary.

A recent (Jan. 2008) report that the company allegedly has a working 10 MW (continuous, self-sustaining, usable) prototype that is ready to go commercial turns out to have been spurious.

Directory:Energy By Motion (EBM) - PESWiki)

Its Doug Pelmear! He scrapped his 1000mpg Top Fuel Dragster and now builds electric cars!

Unless you can see, feel and use the tech be skeptical, as one famous individual said Perpetual Motion is impossible but you should never give up looking.

As for prototypes and many failures, look here

Free Energy
Energetic Forum - Renewable Energy
ZPEnergy.com - Bedini's "School Girl" (Simplified) Circuit/Motor replicated

They discuss things with an overly optimistic and open mind. They have been trying to get what you want but alas I have never seen a perpetual motion machine there that can be replicated and workable, but they keep trying anyway.

If you are looking to learn and don't care about the money and time, learning by doing and failing is a very effective method.

But I would recommend before you do that to remember many of us were like you at one time but found out the hard way that what you are going to do doesn't work the way you want.

We aren't just blowing our toot or trying to be hard on you.

My second recommendation, especially if you don't believe me is to go to a local electric display or fair, at ours there was always a bicycle hooked up to a generator and a series of 10 watt lightbulbs and if you could get all 10 bulbs to light (at proper briteness) for something like a minute you got an icecream cone.

If you have ever tried to make electricity by hand you would know that it takes A LOT OF EFFORT to make even a small amount of electricity.

Think about it, if a freely spinning wheel made lots of electricity why does a coal fired plant need a 100,000hp motor to make electricity?

To make even a very big wheel spin would probably only need a small lawnmower engine if there was no force against it? So why does the plant need so much power if it just takes a spinning coil of copper to make electricity?

Just think things out before you waste money you may not have and if you do procede anyway let us know how it works out.

Cheers
Ryan

I have a slight disconnect in you idea.... the alternators are powering the ancilliary stuff like AC, lights, etc correct? whats powering the drive motors and won't that need plugged in to recharge?

secondly I hope you are remembering the dynamic brake principle that the greater draw you require from your Hi.Alts the more braking force they'll apply and so the harder your drive motors will have to push and so the current draw will go up. and thats where the BIG nasty spiral starts.

I love the idea, but could you show us some math? Hi.Alt output @ X speed @ Y loses. System drain when using Z devices

The friction in your bearings, your motor (or motors, whatever) has to be overcome to make your rig move once that friction is overcome the energy used to do it is lost and it is not possible to recover it with out some really tricky quantum physics that if you mess up will cause the universe to kerplode.

When I was in middle school I thought of a similar system of using generators to regain the power used by an electric motor propelling a car. Then I realized the drag from the generators would slow the car down, so I would need more power from the motor that was getting it's power from the generator, which in turn would make more braking action. So I thought of using the generators to slow the car down and the electric motor to speed it up and a small gas motor to make the car go along. Then I read about a hybrid vehicle and thought *******s beat me to it.

Thank you Ryan, Rob and Best climb for the technical input... That was why I made this thread. So that I can have a technical talk about it. Not to have people tell me it's impossible just because it is and not giving any technical data... Thank you guys for the adult comments instead of the childish ones I had been getting... Hopefully I will Be able to overcome the hurdles ahead of me... I will be checking this thread constantly so if you would like to continue the talks or to just bounce ideas off of one another then feel free to. But for the mean time I have to get to bed... Dogs have been walked and the mrs wants me to come to bed... Working night shift tomorrow and a 16 hour shift Saturday.

When you violate the First law of thermodynamics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia , no further discussion is required.

I've built things like you are talking about and the first law of thermodynamics is what got me as well, granted I was only 15 at the time, but the stuff I made worked perfectly... aside from my lack of understanding in physics at the time, I have gone on to build alot of things that really do work, so it wasn't just my incompetence.
A high output alternator requires a higher input as well, if the input was the same then we would all be using high output alternators.

Yes...good question, how old are you ? And why do you keep posting message after message when you can edit your other ones ?

As to your idea, IF there's no energy input, then there won't be any motion...pure and simple... I suggest you take some basic Thermodinamics classes ( you can easily do that on the internet) and please stop posting until you did that and understood it completely.
Sorry if I seem harsh, it's good to have dreams/ideas but it's also good to learn from other's mistakes instead of wasting your time and energy.

P.S. if you are Superman or some other superhero, this does not apply to you so by all means, go ahead with it !! :thumbup:

Mods, can we shut down this thread and ban this guy now? This guy is obviously a troll, and he has a lot of bites. This goes right up there with the HHO scam threads.

Can't believe this was taken seriously! :rolleyes:

Laurentiu... For your info I am 30. As far as multiple postings... I didn't know I could do that... I signed up using my phone and also to those that think that it is a perpetual motion machine.. It's not... If you want to I can give my instant messanger screennam to y'all and I can explain it to you... Once again I had the idea just a few ideas ago so if anything according to some of those that decided to put in data instead of acting like little brats (btw my 6 year old is more mature than you... You know who you are). But I digress. According to some of yalls data it would lengthen the distance you could travel... I don't really know anymore... Once again i thought the majority of the people I would be talking to would be adults... Not rejects from a daycare center.

Yes, people don't want to listen to you. We're mean-spirited and immature. :rolleyes:

I'm still waiting on an explanation of what powers the alternators, and what powers the thing that powers the alternators. You can post it right here in the thread.

If the alternators are the thing that powers the thing that powers the alternators, that's a perpetual motion machine, and the subject has been fully studied at great length. Every time you convert energy from one form to another, you end up with less than you started with.

To create motion you need a fuel supply. The only fuel supply you have is a couple of batteries, therefore your range would be measured in feet, not miles.

A concept must pass the laws of physics and the reality of daily operation. I don't think you should start building your concept until you understand the energy flow and consumption.

It's cheap to learn without spending money.

regards
Mech

Hmm, lets see. A 300amp alt will require ~400 amp to run. so what you should be working out is how to come up with the 400amps that does not require the use of electricity supplied from your circuit.

Wind: Well wind energy is great! Except that the force created by moving the wind mill instead of letting the wind move the blades is the same as the issue with the alt. It takes more energy to move the mill than the mill can produce.

Solar: Solar is also great but you are limited by available space for panels, and available sun light.

Gas/other fuel source: Well the purpose of this exercise is to limit our use of consumables, right?

Gravity: Perhaps you could make a machine which would use the pull of gravity to produce motion... would be an interesting exercise for the mind! I think you would find yourself in the same situation of overcoming gravity costing more than the energy produced by it but who knows...

Pedal Power: Remember before taking off on this course, that it is far more efficient to convert pedal power to motion than electricity and then that to motion.

Chain/Rope: This could be fun but a little dangerous, especially when you get caught...

I am open for any discussion on any other source I may have missed,

Oh I do have an excellent use for building a perpetual motion machine. I have a friend who is a machinist and is about 90 years old. He is working on his machine and is convinced it will work! He literally lives for this machine and it is doing an excellent job of keeping him alive and his mind as sharp as a tack! ... So long as you don't mind bending the laws of physics a bit while he is around ;)