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PowerPiston 03-03-2014 04:09 PM

Formula 1 urbo-compound engine 2014
 
Turbo-compound engine for better efficiency with nergy recovery system.

Turbo-compound engine
Turbo-compound engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Formula1 2014 Renault v6 turbo engine photos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khZWaqGVanQ

niky 03-03-2014 10:35 PM

Exciting times for F1. Lots of new tech to go boom on track. And so far, that's all the Renault-powered cars have been doing. Going boom every dozen or so laps. Guess it won't be five championships in a row for Red Bull Racing...

pgfpro 03-04-2014 12:11 AM

I think we will see huge advancements in F1 when it comes to fuel efficiency and power output with the new 2014 rules.

Cant wait for the first race in Australia.:thumbup:

mechman600 03-04-2014 12:41 AM

They have to cut their fuel load by one third this season. Fuel efficiency and reliability is now the name of the game. Technologically speaking, it's exciting. But many people (including myself) are worried that this could end up being the dullest F1 season ever. Endurance racing instead of 'going as fast as possible' racing.

The turbo has a built in alternator/generator/motor to A) charge the KERS batteries, and B) spin the turbo up to reduce turbo lag.
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/...ps26f94c41.jpg

justme1969 03-04-2014 07:38 AM

F1 = the ultimate hybrids

P-hack 03-04-2014 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mechman600 (Post 413637)
They have to cut their fuel load by one third this season.

What misanthropic rope smoker came up with that rule?!?

user removed 03-04-2014 09:26 AM

OH MY GOD, AN ELECTRIC SUPERCHARGER!!!!!!!!!!

regards
Mech

P-hack 03-04-2014 09:32 AM

Yes, but not as a result of competitive advantage...

mechman600 03-04-2014 09:37 AM

Maybe they got the idea from here: :D
Chevy Electric supercharger Kit Turbo Chip Performance | eBay

NeilBlanchard 03-04-2014 09:43 AM

It is a turbo driven generator; not the other way around. They have regenerative braking, too. The 1.6L V6's are well above 600HP *and* the KERS is 160BHP for 31s per lap (up from 80BHP for 8s). I believe they are limited to 100L of fuel per race?

I am looking forward to this season.

P-hack 03-04-2014 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeilBlanchard (Post 413664)
It is a turbo driven generator; not the other way around.

It is both.
"the generator reverses roles and spools the compressor. Your turbocharger briefly turns into an electronic supercharger."

niky 03-04-2014 11:33 AM

It's mainly to minimize/eliminate lag than for big power numbers.

These engines, with electric assist, turbocharging and electric turbocharging, promise to be extremely responsive. Couple that with lower fuel limits, and we could see some huge speed differentials between teams over the course of the race, as people go on different fuel saving and pace strategies.

I doubt this season will be all that boring. Not unless Mercedes or Ferrari runs away with it... but it doesn't seem like they will, at the moment. The teams seem pretty well-matched.

justme1969 03-04-2014 11:47 AM

I always liked F1
 
But its stigma here in USA is as an eccentric cart series for the elitists.
I approve of them going in this direction and challenging the top auto makers to move to the economy side of life too.
Imagine 5 years from now when your new lotus comes hybrid equipped this way.
Ford really needs to up the game on this eco boosted SVO Mustang because it is supposed to represent thier next 10 years of motorsports planning incarnate.
I assume I will be woefully let down! :(

P-hack 03-04-2014 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justme1969 (Post 413679)
...Imagine 5 years from now when your new lotus comes hybrid equipped this way...

Lol, said the guy with the 99 Kia :) Turbo's are generally bad for FE (except in diesels) and the fuel used in all of F1 is immeasurable for CO2 emissions...


One thing I would like to see transferred from F1 is actual DRIVING and OPTIONS to enable DRIVING, not the automated beyond the reach of optimal efficiency mushmobiles we have.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...otus_wheel.jpg

user removed 03-04-2014 12:51 PM

You want to bet they don't have a throttle plate, use the supercharger-alternator to control engine speed through charging the batt-capacitor. Now you are controlling engine power by using the exhaust gases to create electricity and return that electricity to the engine as supercharging.

Formula one is mostly WOT-braking, this will convert exhaust heat energy and inertia into electricity and vice versa.

Bye bye throttle plate or just consider the impeller as one.

regards
Mech

P-hack 03-04-2014 01:03 PM

I am skeptical of no throttle. As you say it is largely WOT/Brake, the throttle isn't much of a factor under those conditions (not unlike P&G)

edit: and probably more efficient to keep the turbo spooled up during brief braking vs "stopping" and starting it.

NeilBlanchard 03-04-2014 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P-hack (Post 413687)
One thing I would like to see transferred from F1 is actual DRIVING and OPTIONS to enable DRIVING, not the automated beyond the reach of optimal efficiency mushmobiles we have.

Nothing in F1 is automated with the exception of manual shifting - they have a clutch for the launch at the start, and they use paddles for sequential shifting without a clutch.

But no ABS, no traction control, no stability control, no active suspension. It is "real" driving, as it were.

niky 03-04-2014 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justme1969 (Post 413679)
But its stigma here in USA is as an eccentric cart series for the elitists.

I've heard it said so many times, but it's mind boggling that people think rich racing drivers start off rich. Just like many athletes, they start off in the middle-income bracket (sometimes lower... Fernando Alonso and Kimi Raikkonen, arguably the alpha-dogs of the driver pecking order, were both sons of poor factory workers).

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And this post reminds me of how much I miss FedEX CART. Now that was a US series with international reach, producing some great F1 transplants in the process.

It would be nice for the USA to become better integrated into the international open-wheel racing scene... but considering NASCAR is still a huge draw for drivers, audience and sponsors, I doubt that will come anytime soon.

justme1969 03-05-2014 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by niky (Post 413791)
NASCAR is still a huge draw for drivers, audience and sponsors, I doubt that will come anytime soon.

NASCAR= Go fast turn Left... Draft bump Nturn Left some more.
Pretty sad when you really think about it. oops he is going too fast, add restrictor plates, and body mods.

Not sure how this enhances the Automotive world in any real way.

justme1969 03-05-2014 07:57 AM

lotsa off throttle
 
F1 helmet cam go pro video - Bing Videos

I like it when tires break loose and whole car shakes at 100mph.
I could seriously do that.

NeilBlanchard 03-12-2014 06:28 PM

Gas 2 | Sounds of Speed: 2014 Formula 1 Engine Noises (w/ Video)

some_other_dave 03-13-2014 02:16 PM

Oh, that's horrid sounding! :(

I really loved the high-revving NA sounds from prior years.

-soD

justme1969 03-13-2014 02:30 PM

sounds like ...
 
my dirt bike on bottom end. exactly I cant guess what the sound pressure level difference is but Its just like my thumper engine sounds.


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