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botsapper 12-21-2009 12:18 PM

Free electric car!!!
 
Free Electric Car | Just Drive Electric - Welcome to my Online Store

Easiest way to get E-started??? Ya got till the end of the 2009 year. In 1998, NHTSA designated the NEV(Neighborhood E Vehicle) as a street legal vehicle for road use. Enjoy your new neighbor-friendly eco vehicle. But ya gotta pay for shipping charges Pacific/Zone 1-$395, Central/Zone 2 -$495 & Eastern/Zone 3-$595. FOB Los Angeles or pickup /flatbed your own.

Merry Christmas!!!

dcb 12-21-2009 12:48 PM

Not free, give them 7 grand, hope you get 5 of it back, hope you get a cart too. Not sure I would pay 2 grand for a golfcart unless I lived in seniorville.

"The foregoing has been prepared for the general information of potential customers and should not be construed as legal, tax or financial advice and should not be acted upon without professional counsel. Potential customers are advised with this notice to seek council and advice from a tax accountant or attorney regarding their specific facts and circumstances."

Christ 12-21-2009 01:17 PM

Yeah, not everyone will qualify for that tax credit. In fact, it would get me into trouble, seeing as how I won't be filing income this year.

A little more clarity would be nice.

dcb 12-21-2009 01:22 PM

considering you can get the same carts for like $1500, it is a total ripoff no matter how you slice it.

Christ 12-21-2009 01:24 PM

Yeah, they are just golf carts, also... I figured they might have something other than the two carts listed on the front page.. after some looking, obviously they do not.

alohaspirit 12-21-2009 02:16 PM

lol @ free electric golf cart

they couldve at least put a "car-like" shell on

http://www.freeelectriccar.com/images/landing_image.jpg

botsapper 12-21-2009 02:21 PM

AKA 'Cash for Clubbers'!!!

This electric...erm, golf cart (drain) fiasco just exemplifies the ridiculous tax policies when politicians dole out loopholes & faux credits in the name of 'fuel efficiency'. This community has a stake to that aim but insisting these absurdities have no long-term effect on efficacious investment or development in e-technologies. The consequences are elevated taxes to temporarily prop 'feel good' media opportunities.

By the way, slightly better market leader GEM is also in the game, Global Electric Motorcars

Christ 12-21-2009 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by botsapper (Post 149203)
AKA 'Cash for Clubbers'!!!

This electric...erm, golf cart (drain) fiasco just exemplifies the ridiculous tax policies when politicians dole out loopholes & faux credits in the name of 'fuel efficiency'. This community has a stake to that aim but insisting these absurdities have no long-term effect on efficacious investment or development in e-technologies. The consequences are elevated taxes to temporarily prop 'feel good' media opportunities.

By the way, slightly better market leader GEM is also in the game, Global Electric Motorcars

GEM are also little more than glorified golf carts, but at least they have enclosure kits available for them. They also aren't designed to be anything more than city cars. I checked one out up here that was for sale for $4,000. I'd have bought it, but it wouldn't do me any good where I'm at. If I was that worried about getting anywhere in town, I'd walk or bike.

adamj12b 12-21-2009 02:25 PM

Im actually doing the same mods to my golf cart that they did to theirs to make it street legal.

The law says it must have Headlights, Tail Lights, Brake Lights, Directionals, Seat Belts, and a Wind Shield. With these things I will be able to drive it anywhere in Massachusetts on roads posted 30MPH and lower.

I can actually make it to both my family and my wife's family's house and the grocery store within these restrictions.

-Adam

botsapper 12-21-2009 02:39 PM

The temperate & southern states with urban centers as well as large suburban enclaves could well be populated be e-carts for very short range use. Many families still have simple neighborhood school pooling, grocery getting & soccer field deliveries. Solo driving with urban security patrols, parcel deliveries & pizza boy downtown racers.

Christ 12-21-2009 02:43 PM

Yeah, but not for $6000 each. Maybe $1500. In fact, it would even be a good first car for new drivers. The average cost of a used car for a first time driver should never exceed about $2000 anyway.

If you buy your new driver a new car, you're a friggin moron.

botsapper 12-21-2009 03:00 PM

"If you buy your new driver a new car, you're a friggin moron."

Unfortunately, seen many brand new BMW's, Mustang convertibles & hi-powa sports cars @ high school parking lots.

Christ 12-21-2009 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by botsapper (Post 149219)
"If you buy your new driver a new car, you're a friggin moron."

Unfortunately, seen many brand new BMW's, Mustang convertibles & hi-powa sports cars @ high school parking lots.

Shortly thereafter, to be found in junkyards, which sell the parts to those of us who actually care about our cars.

And people wonder why insurance is so high...

MetroMPG 12-21-2009 03:22 PM

Wow, is all I can say.

All I could think was: hey, free EV parts!

But the type of people in the income bracket that qualifies for "free EV parts" under such a scheme would probably have zero interest in said parts or schemes. :)

solarguy 12-21-2009 03:54 PM

The more the government monkeys around in the free market, the more mal-investments will be made, sucking money and materials away from projects that could and should be funded, by private individuals.

This is a basic premise of the Austrian School of Economics, AKA, the Libertarians.

This cited example is proof positive that the Austrians are right, and the Keynsians are wrong.

Finest regards,

troy

dcb 12-21-2009 04:06 PM

I'm gonna call a big Bullcrap on all the political agenda BS. Consumers/manufactures/elected officials/citizens all have a hand in our state of affairs, so either look at the whole picture or lets just shut the hell up about politics.

solarguy 12-21-2009 05:37 PM

My post was carefully apolitical, in the sense that it favored neither republicans nor democrats. Both have done a lousy job of promoting energy efficiency in general, and fuel economy in vehicles in particular, in my opinion. If anything, I have gone off topic on economic modeling theory, not politics.

My point was that it seems hard to understand how spending tax money in this fashion can help our cause of better vehicle efficiency, at all. It is very unlikely that any of these "free" electric vehicles will displace miles driven by ICE vehicles to any meaningful extent. If we take this public policy to it's logical extreme, why don't we just buy everybody who pays a tax bill, a free electric golf cart, because that will help the environment so much more? Get a bunch more ICE vehicles off the road NOW!



The moderators should feel free to remove the offending post if deemed inappropriate.

Finest regards,

troy

botsapper 12-21-2009 06:59 PM

Alright, alright...

Here are some more 'smarter' electric-candy...

Kandi Coco Direct

Unless you like an 'aptera' tri-lectric...

http://www.arcimoto.com/

Or just choose from the ZAP product line...

http://www.zapworld.com/

Christ 12-21-2009 07:06 PM

http://kandidirect.com/images/storie...ndiproduct.png

Its' a micro-SMART (could you have such a thing?) with an "upgraded" AC motor... wait... upgraded from what?

Regardless, I'd drive it.

alohaspirit 12-21-2009 08:04 PM

not in the snow you wont


but it would be perfect for here

Christ 12-21-2009 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alohaspirit (Post 149298)
not in the snow you wont


but it would be perfect for here

You buy it, I'll prove you wrong, sir.

I don't use the heater much unless someone else is in the car. It's called dressing for the weather.

TomEV 12-21-2009 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christ (Post 149286)
with an "upgraded" AC motor... wait... upgraded from what?

One that didn't work? ;P

As an owner of a 'slow' car (but not restricted to 25 mph like NEVs are...) I can guarantee that anyone except a devout masochist will get frayed nerves from driving 25, especially if they choose to drive on a road with a 35 mph speed limit.

Almost all the NEVs I've seen have been modified to go faster (albeit illegally in most areas) just for that reason. Many by the dealer that sold them.

I'd imagine the NEV law was designed to ensure the non-viability of small electric cars, regardless of being 'free'.

Christ 12-21-2009 11:02 PM

Around here, there is a slow-speed vehicle designation that means you can't go over 45 by design. IIRC, you don't even need registration to use it. Most farm equip and such are allowed to display them, so if you could convince the non-existent cops that your NEV is actually a utility vehicle, you're good to go.

botsapper 12-21-2009 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alohaspirit (Post 149298)
not in the snow you wont


but it would be perfect for here

Let's play eco-dictator & make Hawaiʻi, an e-laboratory by decreeing it, a non-ICE transportation zone. The Big Island might be circumnavigated by a Tesla, approx 250 miles.
Exceptions on cargo transport & an occasional Concours d'Elegance.

Christ 12-21-2009 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by botsapper (Post 149338)
Let's play eco-dictator & make Hawaiʻi, a e-laboratory by decreeing it a non-ICE transportation zone. The Big Island might be circumnavigated by a Tesla, approx 250 miles.
Exceptions on cargo transport & an occasional Concours d'Elegance.

Gas powered cars only available for use on Weekends with exception granted to those who work on weekends and have weekdays off. For "Cruising" purposes only.

:)

Of course, if you need to go to the other side of the island, you still need a range extender... which means a portable genny running while you're driving.

alohaspirit 12-22-2009 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christ (Post 149300)
You buy it, I'll prove you wrong, sir.



You buy it, and I'll ride shotgun



the island may be nice but electric vehicles are terrible on hills

and the island is essentially one big hill


im certain that my 2 mile hill would easily cut 10 miles from any EVs range

Christ 12-22-2009 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alohaspirit (Post 149383)
You buy it, and I'll ride shotgun



the island may be nice but electric vehicles are terrible on hills

and the island is essentially one big hill

Seems like a point for discussion, considering that EV performance = how you built it.

The performance of an EV depends directly on the amount of power it has available to it, therefore, if you built it to cruise, it probably won't do well on hills, but if you designed it to be a hill climber, you'll likely sacrifice some cruise efficiency, but have a longer terrain-range.


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