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cephraim 08-16-2008 04:58 PM

Front-end aero mod
 
Hey guys.

I was just playing around with some styrofoam that was attached to some crate plywood. This was my first mod. Not sure how much it will help, but it was fairly easy. It also looks pretty decent, IMO.

Eph's NAH Front-End Aero Mod

I'd like to do something with the main grill, too. But, I really don't want to mess up the looks of the front-end.

Whadayathink? Any ideas for the main grill?

Thanks!
Eph

adrive7 08-16-2008 06:41 PM

I think I need a MySpace to see the pictures :p

Can you post them elsewhere?

cephraim 08-16-2008 06:58 PM

Oops! Sorry about that! Try it now. I put it on photobucket, which I believe doesn't require an account, right?

adrive7 08-16-2008 07:43 PM

Looks good. It would be even better if you could fill in that whole pocket. Next I would add a bit of an air dam underneath.

Also, whats the story with the sun roof fairing. Can you make that flush?

cephraim 08-16-2008 07:54 PM

Thanks. Since the car is brand new, I wanted to do something that wasn't too obvious. So, not sure about filling in the whole pocket. Think what I've done will have any effect?

re: my sunroof fairing
It's actually a wind-deflector that I paid extra for when I purchased the car and before I got hooked on hypermiling.

I'm tempted to remove it, cause I suspect it is increasing my Cd. I wonder by how much, though?

Thanks for the advice!
Eph

adrive7 08-16-2008 09:07 PM

Anything that increases your frontal area is going to increase drag. The fairing also is going to disrupt the flow over your car and cause it to become separated, increasing drag further.

Sealing the pocket would also reduce drag.

All of the effects are small, and have most effect at higher speeds. The cost savings won't be huge, so you just have to balance features you like with trying to raise your Fuel economy.

cephraim 08-16-2008 09:17 PM

Most of my miles are 35-45mph. I do about 15-20% of my miles on the highway. So, I guess these aero mods won't help much, then, eh?

FastPlastic 08-16-2008 09:59 PM

Sadly it won't make a huge difference in town. But it doesn't take much highway driving to pay for itself. Should warm up a little faster, Which is good for short trips. Best improvements in town is driving style/Weight reduction.

cfg83 08-17-2008 02:06 AM

cephraim -

Looks stealthy-good. You scored with a nice dark colored styrofoam.

It seems like you could "add louvers between louvers" on the grill and maintain the overall look. One nice thing about a new car is that you can use it as an excuse to *take* *your* *time* to plan out a really clean mod.

When I look are your grill, I keep thinking of the Ford Fusion grill as an idea for "wider grill, narrower gaps" :

http://www.fordvehicles.com/assets/i...060_ext_lg.jpg
http://www.fordvehicles.com/assets/i...123_ext_lg.jpg

CarloSW2

cephraim 08-17-2008 08:55 AM

Thanks!

What about putting something BEHIND the louvers, between the louvers and the radiator. Is that as effective at increasing FE?

Eph

donee 08-17-2008 09:17 AM

Hi Cephrain,

I am a Prius driver, and do have grill blocks. The NAH is built with Toyota HSD technology. So these comments assume the NAH is similar to the Prius. The Inverters and transmission on HSD cars need cooling. The transmission is only cooled by airflow over the transmission. The transmission has the big motor and the speeder motor (socalled MG2 and MG1). Both need to be cooled. The inverters are cooled by a liquid coolant loop and radiator. In the Prius, that radiator is the lower third of the radiator assembly (both engine and inverter radiators are integrated into one assembly, with seperate chambers). Assuming the NAH is similar, you probably do not want to grill block the lower openings except when it gets below 20 F.

Assuming the top 2/3'rds of the radiator is the engine radiator, you can grill block probably the passenger side of the top grill (again leaving the lower grill open) and 1/2 of the driver side for casual commuting. Casual Commuting meaning - no mountains, no desert, no 100 F/80% relative humidity and running the AC at 70 F. The reason for this is to get air to the transmission which is assumed to be on the driver side. Whatever you do, its best to set it up to be removable and instalable quickly. Even at a red-light quick.

The upper radiator blocking will improve aerodynamics the most. It will ease the bending of the air over the top of the hood. Also, water during rain, will not be guided into the hottest portions of the radiator, giving extra unwanted evaporative cooling.

I have also moved my license plate down so that it bridges the gap caused by the lower grill.

cephraim 08-17-2008 12:41 PM

Donee,

Thanks for the info! While Nissan licensed the hybrid technology (electric engine and battery), I believe the ICE and transmission are Nissan-unique. I know I have a CVT transmission, and the standard Altima 4-cylinder ICE, for example.

So, do you believe your comments still apply?

Thanks again!
Eph

donee 08-17-2008 01:03 PM

Hi Cephraim,

Yes, the engine and transmission are Nissan unique, but similar in concept to the Prius et al HSD cars. So, yes, I think my comments still apply. The CVT is actually an eCVT. It does not have mechanically variable components to provide variable ratio. It uses a speeder motor and a torquer motor that geared with the engine in a fixed manner. The speed of the speeder motor impacts how much torque goes from the engine to the wheels, or to the electric half of the drive train. Further variation on the electric side controls how the eletricty is used (stored, or routed to the torquer motor).

cephraim 08-17-2008 01:18 PM

So, you suggest pulling out my styrofoam and going with the top radiator blocks, as you have described? Certainly would LOOK better, too!

Also, I was thinking that, since I take this car through carwashes, the styrofoam is likely to be a pain in the butt. Whereas, a block of the top grill that is positioned between the grill and the radiator will be more secure, I would think.

Thanks again!
Eph

azraelswrd 08-17-2008 03:27 PM

For slower speeds, tires are a MAJOR area to be addressed in addition to driving style and weight. :D

(ex: switch to low rolling resistance types, thinner tires, more pressure)

donee 08-17-2008 03:33 PM

Hi Cephraim,

There is another issue with styrofoam. If it disintegrates, it has to be picked out of the fins of the radiator. Prius grill blockers typically use polythelene foam plumbing pipe insulation. The foam tubing is either wrapped around the horizontal grill bars, or wedged inbetween the bars and held from being pushed further in by the grill uprights.

cephraim 08-17-2008 07:29 PM

Makes sense.
Oh well. Good thing it didn't take too long and cost me $zero.

I guess I'll buy some black coroplast and try the upper grill mod.

Thanks,
Eph

PS - My tires are brand new stock tires. I have them 2psi above sidewall. I did notice a big improvement when I went from placard to sidewall...


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