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MetroMPG 04-25-2017 12:16 PM

Fun video time! How many PSI to explode a 20 year-old, dry-rotted tire?
 
Answer: 220 PSI!

Quote:

220 PSI CAR TIRE EXPLOSION !
We found a couple of these old tiers so we figured that we need to test and see how much pressure can these tires take. Our main goal was to see a tire explosion. Some people call it tire blow out ( tire blowout) or tire burst but it surely is a tire explosion. A tire blowout doesn't sound like a tire explosion.

So anyway we took out our compressor that can pump out to 200 psi. We hooked the tire to the high pressure compressor and started inflating the tire. For our surprise we pumped 200 psi and maxed out the compressor but no tire explosion. Nothing happened, the tire inflated, stretched out a bit and that is it. There was no tire explosion.

But we are stubborn and wanted to see a tire explosion, so this is what we did. We took our carbon dioxide tank that had 360 psi of pressure inside of it. We went out to the forests because we know that with this kind of pressure the blowout ( tire explosion ) was not safe. We took all of the needed safety precautions and hooked everything up. We started to pump the carbon dioxide in to the tire and finally at 220 psi (16kg/cm2) we saw the tire blowout. The tire explosion was phenomenal. It sounded like a gun shot. But for our surprise there were no debris flying around. The tire neatly blowout on the side leaving a huge open gab.

We liked the result and wanted to repeat our tire explosion. So we hooked one more tire up. This blowout send the tire flying in to the air with leaving us searching the near by bushes to find the tire.

After we were done all of the tires were disposed of properly and nothing was left behind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP6vnIuod_s

Daox 04-25-2017 01:07 PM

Haha, fun video! Explosions are so entertaining...

That being said, I'm probably going to keep my tires at 50 psi for now.

MetroMPG 04-25-2017 01:19 PM

Not much to gain by going a much higher, anyway!

http://forkenswift.com/album/8-chart...arious-psi.gif

http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...tire-2721.html

redneck 04-25-2017 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MetroMPG (Post 539309)

How do you know for sure...??? :confused:

You can't technically say that till you take the chart all the way to 219 psi...;)

The trick is don't let it go to 220 psi... :eek:

I would like to know, and I'm pretty sure there are other inquiring minds here that would really, really, really, like to know.



So Metro.

Do it...



Do it.

For the sake of science.

For this forum.

For the children...



I would also like to take this time to say "Thank you".

Ahead of time...

You know...

Just in case... ;)



:)

>

MetroMPG 04-25-2017 02:30 PM

Good idea! I'll set up the camera on a tripod... hopefully my heirs will (a) find it near the blast radius and (b) can figure out how to post the results. :D

darcane 04-26-2017 01:19 PM

Cool video, thanks Metro.

I wonder what it's rated pressure is, probably 35psig for an older tire? If so, that's still about four and a half times it's rated pressure.

Typically in engineering, things are designed to a safety factor. Safety factor of 2.0:1 means that it was designed to twice the rated load. For the products we design where I work, because the failures could cause death, safety factors are 4:1, 6:1, or 10:1. I can see tires being in the same category, so I would expect a 4:1 or 6:1 safety factor. I'm impressed that the tire still has such a high burst pressure considering it's age.

jamesqf 04-26-2017 02:37 PM

Factors to consider:

1) That 220 PSI is static pressure. In driving, you'd likely see jumps as the wheel goes over bumps & potholes. (It'd be interesting to see if anyone has actual data on this.)

2) 220 PSI is cold pressure. Drive for a while and the heat will increase the actual pressure. so maybe 150 PSI or so would be the max cold inflation pressure.

MetroMPG 04-26-2017 02:51 PM

I'm not going a pound over 125. I like the smoother ride of the low 100's.

freebeard 04-26-2017 07:07 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HANwJp8Z5mc

rmay635703 04-26-2017 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 539448)

Technically the split rim, well split, the tire looked fine

Stubby79 04-26-2017 09:59 PM

Don't they time warp at 88psi or something like that?

CapriRacer 04-27-2017 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by darcane (Post 539403)
Cool video, thanks Metro.

I wonder what it's rated pressure is, probably 35psig for an older tire? If so, that's still about four and a half times it's rated pressure.

Typically in engineering, things are designed to a safety factor. Safety factor of 2.0:1 means that it was designed to twice the rated load. For the products we design where I work, because the failures could cause death, safety factors are 4:1, 6:1, or 10:1. I can see tires being in the same category, so I would expect a 4:1 or 6:1 safety factor. I'm impressed that the tire still has such a high burst pressure considering it's age.

Don't forget about fatigue. In tires, that's the most important thing.

If you look at a typical S-N curve for rubber - and consider that 100,000 miles is about 6 million cycles - then the S-N curve says the failure stress is about 1/4 to 1/5 the static value. If you divide 220psi by 4 or 5, you get 55 and 44 psi. Isn't that interesting!

niky 04-27-2017 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by CapriRacer (Post 539483)
Don't forget about fatigue. In tires, that's the most important thing.

If you look at a typical S-N curve for rubber - and consider that 100,000 miles is about 6 million cycles - then the S-N curve says the failure stress is about 1/4 to 1/5 the static value. If you divide 220psi by 4 or 5, you get 55 and 44 psi. Isn't that interesting!

Of course, they did say the tires were dry-rotted and old.

Don't ever plan on running tires that old. :p

jamesqf 04-27-2017 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetroMPG (Post 539418)
I'm not going a pound over 125. I like the smoother ride of the low 100's.

Though when I stop to think about it, skinny little road bike tires normally inflate to 120 PSI or so.

freebeard 04-27-2017 01:46 PM

I had a set of the really nice European Klebers (they changed when they set up manufacturing in the USofA) on my 1956 sunroof Beetle. I parked it on dirt at my brother's place for 18 months and some micro-organisms in the soil ate the tread off one of them! The flat spot made the tire unusable.

jamesqf — pneumatic tubes of a given wall thicken can withstand more pressure in a small diameter, less as the diameter grows.

RedDevil 04-27-2017 02:42 PM

I would think that higher tire pressure means the tire flexes less each rotation, so it should age slower?

rmay635703 04-27-2017 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RedDevil (Post 539531)
I would think that higher tire pressure means the tire flexes less each rotation, so it should age slower?

Yes, but impact stresses could make it easier to puncture or blow, that said at the pressures we run it's mostly a non issue

CapriRacer 04-28-2017 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedDevil (Post 539531)
I would think that higher tire pressure means the tire flexes less each rotation, so it should age slower?

If by that you mean less likely to crack, that would be so. But aging is more about the chemical and physical state of the rubber - how well it's strength is holding up and how well it is adheres to adjacent components. It's those things that cause the tire to fail. And those things seem to be more correlated to heat.

RedDevil 04-28-2017 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by CapriRacer (Post 539570)
If by that you mean less likely to crack, that would be so. But aging is more about the chemical and physical state of the rubber - how well it's strength is holding up and how well it is adheres to adjacent components. It's those things that cause the tire to fail. And those things seem to be more correlated to heat.

Heat is also correlated to pressure. Underinflated tires get very hot on the highway. I had a slow leak in my right rear and it was almost too hot to touch even though it wasn't riding the rim yet.
The other tires were about at ambient running 42 PSI.

jamesqf 04-28-2017 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 539527)
jamesqf — pneumatic tubes of a given wall thicken can withstand more pressure in a small diameter, less as the diameter grows.

Yet on the other end, semi truck tires get inflated to around 100 PSI.

freebeard 04-28-2017 01:12 PM

As RedDevil says, if they get under inflated, that's when they start shedding the big chunks of tread that litter the highway shoulders.

CapriRacer 04-29-2017 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by jamesqf (Post 539580)
Yet on the other end, semi truck tires get inflated to around 100 PSI.

And don't forget the reinforcing plies. They are there for a reason.

freebeard 04-29-2017 12:36 PM

The pneumatic tire is what made the modern road vehicle possible. We think of balloons going pop, but nothing else but pneumatics will take a hit from a pothole at freeway speeds.

The Tweel is getting close to a replacement. But they need 3D printed fractal spokes

http://road.cc/sites/default/files/s...?itok=n_ALynKp
http://road.cc/content/tech-news/221397-bridgestone-latest-develop-puncture-proof-bicycle-tyre

freebeard 04-30-2017 12:57 PM

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