Get ready to pay more at the pump...
 

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Everything thing you purchase will be affected.



The biggest change in global fuel regulations since leaded gas went away could cause price shocks


https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/01/bigg...se-prices.html



Click on the link for the full story.

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Nonsense. SO2 is a local pollutant that dissipates quickly. Unless there's a problem with acid rain in the middle of the ocean that I've been unaware of.

I guess this is the year to buy everything.

Oh, and JUST as most major domestic automakers have killed off their small cars! What are we to do?

Well, now is the wrong time to buy a diesel.

Next we'll see a thread by Oil Pan talking about how he's got a bunker oil furnace heating his home... and solar panels.

Only if they had an unlimited supply of water to scrub the exhaust with.

I drive an electric car so it matters not to me.

That's a good point. I wonder why they don't just exhaust into the ocean?

Hmm, who could see this coming...? World supply of gas(oil) increases, demand falls or stays steady.... coax people into buying giant trucks, car companies abandon cars in pursuit of higher profits, snatch the market by passing regulation to raise fuel prices when people have no other choice than to pay it.

Did I get any of that right? Checkmate?

USA gas prices spiked $0.20 last month. Almost 10%. It was surprisingly low before that though.
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https://www.gasbuddy.com/Charts
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A carbon tax would be even trickier to implement without crushing the economic ability of the shrinking middle class.

Question to american people :

-Do americans take the car to go to a drugstore or bakery just 2 or 3 blocks away?

Different depending on situation, generally yes. Walking has a stigma of not having the money for a car, etc.

Where I live there us very little in walking distance or where I dont have to cross or walk along a state highway so I do drive the car most places.

My nearest commercial enterprise is about 3 miles away.
I live in the country where electric vehicles aren't really supposed to work for people but I seem to have figured it out.

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I guess nobody saw this.

Everything...

Everyone’s purchasing power is going to take a big hit.

“Pain” is coming...


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Changing shipping fuel requirements will cause some price increases across the board but it will be small compared to the increases caused by a full carbon tax right when it comes out of the ground. 85% of our actual work in the world is done by fossil slaves. And they will soon be asking for a big raise.

Good thing we make more stuff in the United States than we have in the past few decades.
I remember there was this idiot on TV saying the Don couldn't bring back any manufacturing jobs to the United States. I think he may have been the president at one time.

Good thing I don't drive a diesel.

I think prices will rise more than 20%. OPEC is out there making production cuts to manipulate the market. Oh well, perhaps people will start paying more attention to fuel usage again.

I had a coworker that drove half a mile to work. He'd also make daily trips to the convenience store to buy cigarettes half a mile away too.

I rode a bicycle 7 miles each way the last 2 years I worked there.

My wife was walking half a mile to work until we had our daughter. Now she drives to save time since she comes home at lunch to feed the girl. I don't really think it saves time, as the walk is 5 min and more direct, and driving is a bit longer.

I've been using the Segway mini around this small town.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sour_crude_oil
It seems removing sulphur from crude oil is possible, and sometimes even essential before it can be transported at all?

Yes it will rise the price some if more sulphur needs to be removed. Just dropping it in the ocean will increase the acidification rate, putting more stress on the ecosystem.

The refineries in the United States specialize in processing sour crude because it's cheap.
Our oil companies were trading light sweet crude for Venezuelas sour crude because their refineries couldn't handle the sulfur very well until the socialism experiment there reached its only logical conclusion.

I've been watching a documentary series on large, really large, and maybe not large but just really cool ships. The last one described a container ship that can do the nautical equivalent of 50KPH while carrying 100K tons of DVD players, Nikes, and Oakley sunglasses. During the episode, the narrator stated that shipping costs represent 1% to 2% of the retail cost of most items. If that's accurate, the "pain" to which you refer might look like a 1% or 2% price increase on your next pair of sneakers. Seems a small price to pay if the result is a significant decrease in pollution worldwide.

Funny thing is taking the sulfur out of the fuel creates more CO2.
So it makes stuff cost more and creates more poll.

Are there any other uses for this high sulfur sludge that is currently powering ships? Or will that go to waste?

If it's anything like diesel, it will still be used, but will require more refining to remove the sulfur, and then the resultant oil will have less energy too.

When diesel went to ultra low sulfur, the price went up, and the lubrication properties of the fuel went down, resulting in things like fuel pumps prematurely wearing out. I think even the energy content was slightly reduced.

Why do you think all Americans have drugstores and bakeries just 2 or 3 blocks away? FTM, why do you think "block" is a relevant measure of distance for most of us?

If you look real close, you might see my house down in the valley in the distance. Don't see a lot of drugstores or bakeries, though. Or blocks :-)

I have a lifetime supply of small cars in my hoard. :thumbup:

Yes. Women in my virtually crime-free small town will say it's for security from all the rapists and molesters hiding behind every bush. Kids drive back and forth and back and forth and back and forth and back and forth and back and forth all evening and night because they don't have a better idea and mom and dad buy the gas.

People drive to check the mail half a block away. On Mom's street, there are often cars parked between No Parking signs.

I once lent my Forester to a then-friend.

That was when I learned that I had an oil leak, right before I learned that Subarus were notorious for bad head gaskets for twenty years. Apparently she sent a picture of what looked like a large oil puddle and then drove the car as planned, without making sure there was enough oil first.

The good news was that she only drove half a mile--allegedly.

Many Americans are pretty busy. The average work week is longer than what it was a few decades ago. If driving will save 3 minutes, most people will drive. Americans are also overweight and many have a lot of health issues.

That oversight will be corrected shortly!

I can top that: In 28 years I've spotted the neighbor lady getting her curbside mail on foot maybe three times. The rest of the time she's pulled up to the mailbox in her car. No, she's not disabled. Not that I know of. :rolleyes:


Ha! Then there's the time I was out on a walk and I observed a woman pull into the entrance of her driveway and get out of her (running) car to fetch the mail. The car, not having any patience, proceeded to park itself in the garage without her. Damn lucky it didn't plow into the brand new pickup already in there! But it didn't stop until it hit the far wall. It was a SHORT DRIVEWAY. COME ON.

Wow, that is hard to top! We have some problems in this country...

When I allowed a girl that I knew had poor judgment borrow my Subaru, she parked it in the side yard. I slid open the gate, released the parking brake, put the car in neutral, and would have easily moved the car twenty feet had I had traction.

She said "The smart thing to do is to just drive the car."

The engine would idle longer than it would run. How is that smart?!

(Of course, knowing her judgment was poor, I demonstrated poor judgment by loaning her my car)

Recently in my area gas prices spiked to $3.25 at one of the cheapest places in town. Diesel is $3.15. I won't be surprised if we get back up to peak 2012 prices, but hopefully not...

Here in Sacramento our prices are up an average of 50 cents a gallon in the last couple months. Last time I filled up I paid $2.86/gal. Costco usually has the cheapest prices around and as of this morning, have their price was $3.24/gal. Arco is usually close behind but they have been over $3.40/gal for the last few days. Fortunately the weather has been receptive to bike riding so I still have 3/4 tank of the lower price gas in my pickup.
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I hadn't noticed.

Many gas stations in Arizona are over $3.00 a gallon. PhoenixGasPrices.com says prices have increased 46¢ in a month, partially due to planned and unplanned refinery maintenance in California shrinking demand.

The Earthquake State hit $4.00 a gallon, the highest since 2014.

I had talked to a family about getting them paperwork before the weekend, but I did not think that we established when they needed it. I was getting ready to see my first client today when I messaged the family to see when they needed it.

Pretty much right then.

So, I messaged the family with which I had an appointment saying that I would be delayed doing paperwork, and replaced a page in a .PDF with a version that my supervisor had signed.

Of course, that would not go quietly into the night. Then Mom asked me where in town had the cheapest gas. It only took a minute or two, but I was already late!

I am really bad at planning, remembering, executing... anyway, I was approaching empty yesterday and somehow thought that I would remember to get gas before my first appointment. I made it just fine, but I absolutely do not like going below empty, even though obviously I am not.

That just seems like Russian roulette. What have Russians ever done for us?!

So, both of us needed gas, and hopefully Safeway had a discount, so I carefully drove out after my two appointments, parked, walked home, drove Mom's car, filled up both using the same discount...and saved 25¢ over the cheapest place in town.

Drove Mom's car home, walked back, drove to the cheapest place in town, and got anther 5.5 gallons for 1¢ more than at Safeway with the discount.

Is it supposed to take two hours to get gas? :) I need to figure out how to check the fuel discounts.

You can know exactly how much fuel you have left by noting how much it took to fill, and subtracting that from the fuel tank capacity.

For instance, my Prius is rated almost exactly 10 gallons (10.2). If I put 9 gallons in to fill it, I know I had 1 gallon left despite the gas light having come on 60 miles ago...

So, I make note of when the gas light turns on, and how much fuel I had left after filling to determine how far I can go "on the gas light". I probably always know within quarter gallon how much fuel I've got left.

Knowing with precision how much fuel remains can reduce your anxiety when all the gauges are telling you the car will stop at any moment.

Regarding cheap fuel, tell Mum to install the Gas Buddy app.

I have it on my phone, but I will mention it to her.
I need to check the bulb. I have bought up to 16.72 gallons. The tank is rated for 17.1, so it really should have turned on. Curiously, the light does not come on in my Civic, and it did not work in my Subaru, either.

I have the crazy idea that I should fill up before there is any risk of running out. :)

My Ultragauge estimated miles until empty. Does Torque keep track of that? I bought a cell phone mount, but I need to figure out something else.

You cannot always judge by fillup volume either.

When I got my previous car, a Nissan Almera with a 50 liter tank, first fill (with the light burning and all) took only 37 liters. I tried to get more in but it almost spilled.

So for the next fill I decided to go 100 km beyond the light. The first tank got 15 km per liter, so I should be safe, right?

At the filling station I parked it the other way round this time, with the filler neck at the high side of the very gentle slope. The pump clicked at 51.5 liter...

Turns out the Almera tank was prone to trapping giant air bubbles if the filler neck was low. Also, its size is just an estimate.

I've run all my vehicles out of fuel, most of them multiple times. The Prius is actually rated 10.4 gallons, but it always clicks off at 10.2. I can probably get 0.2 more in if I filled up the filler neck too, or just gave the pump a couple more squeezes.

Tank size is an estimate, but it' pretty darn close.

Once I calculated I could go 500 miles on a tank, and the car ran out of fuel as I turned into the petrol station. I coasted to a stop exactly as the odometer rolled to 500.

I know how much range I have left in all my vehicles within about 5 miles of error. Whereas the fuel light and needle cause my wife anxiety, I relax and figure the best place to stop for fuel knowing I'll make it.