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freebeard 10-11-2023 06:09 PM

It gets worse
 
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There simply aren’t enough electricians out there to fix these chargers and keep them operating for customers

According to Qmerit – an EV charger installation company – the U.S. will need at least 142,000 more certified electricians than are currently in operation by 2030 to support the current growth in EV sales, but that process involves four to five years of apprenticeship, not including the time it takes to obtain a charger certification.

Demand for electricians in general is expected to grow by six percent over the next decade as well, with 812,000 needed by 2032. At the same time, between now and 2030, the number of electricians is expected to shrink by 14 percent.
here's a big problem with electric cars, the chargers mostly don't work. Worse, there aren't enough electricians to fix the

redpoint5 10-11-2023 06:23 PM

Hmm, not too late for me to change careers. $33/hr currently, but if demand exceeds supply of workers, that price can't hold.

Piotrsko 10-12-2023 09:54 AM

Why would you need a journeyman to fix a charger?

Couple places I worked, the techs were trained to follow a certified process which negated the need for high skill. If they ran across something really intricate/difficult, they called home to the help desk.

Worse case; back in the day, IBM evolved to board swapping until it was fixed. If it was really fubar, they replaced the whole unit.

aerohead 10-12-2023 11:44 AM

'electricians'
 
So that's 20,286 electricians, a year, out of a population 336,000,000 citizens.
406- trainees per year, per each state of the republic.
Obviously 'impossible.'
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In 1976, during a college field trip, I visited a local manufacturing facility which used computer-aided machining.
If anything went 'wrong' with the equipment, the operator dialed the phone number of the milling machine manufacturer back east. The computer on the other end of the line diagnosed the problem, and sent a message, instructing the operator to change out a particular plug-in circuit board ( of which the factory held in inventory ) to bring the machine back online.
The 'multimillion dollar' mill was back in service within minutes, and never required anyone with more than a high school education to 'fix' it.
In the present day of 'over-the-air' updates 'n such, I don't see a problem.

Hersbird 10-12-2023 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by redpoint5 (Post 688534)
Hmm, not too late for me to change careers. $33/hr currently, but if demand exceeds supply of workers, that price can't hold.

I switched from letter carrier, to fleet manager, to electronic technician, to traveling area maintenance technician at the post office over the last 2 years. I was going to retire in 3.5 years but had been thinking this new gig is too easy to retire. I could be convinced if it payed about $50/hr including driving time. Thats more than I make now, but why would I leave for less when more time also keeps increasing my retirement? The PO may need a bunch more electricians too with the fleet electrification.

Hersbird 10-12-2023 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Piotrsko (Post 688550)
Why would you need a journeyman to fix a charger?

Couple places I worked, the techs were trained to follow a certified process which negated the need for high skill. If they ran across something really intricate/difficult, they called home to the help desk.

Worse case; back in the day, IBM evolved to board swapping until it was fixed. If it was really fubar, they replaced the whole unit.

It probably depends on what is failing. The circuit boards and communication links can be back doored, but there are also some dangerous high voltage connections, inverters, and transformers, cooling systems, etc. That would need actual electricians. These things are probably more complicated and dangerous than commercial HVAC systems.

oil pan 4 10-12-2023 08:32 PM

Right now I work about 2 days out of 5 for about $35 an hour so not that interested in being an electrician unless it's for my self.

freebeard 10-12-2023 09:44 PM

Aptera and Xbus look better every day. The best plug is no plug.

redpoint5 10-12-2023 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Hersbird (Post 688563)
I was going to retire in 3.5 years but had been thinking this new gig is too easy to retire. I could be convinced if it payed about $50/hr including driving time.

I don't care much about the money as long as it's reflective of the value added.

Easy gigs bore me to death and I grow to despise them. Doesn't matter if I'm getting paid a ton to do something that doesn't challenge me.

Electricians don't have an easy job. They crawl on their bellies through puddles of water under houses, and tiptoe in rafters in 130 degree attics. It's work to be proud of though, because one has endured the situation and made a thing better afterwards.

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Originally Posted by oil pan 4 (Post 688572)
Right now I work about 2 days out of 5 for about $35 an hour so not that interested in being an electrician unless it's for my self.

About the same rate I'm at. It's not the electrician's wage that is alluring to me, but the opportunity to eventually own an outfit. My personality requires that I'm either the janitor with no responsibility, or the owner with all the responsibility. Middle-management are for people who enjoy being a bully, or incompetent at making the big decisions.

Piotrsko 10-13-2023 10:08 AM

Cant see where they install this stuff in hard to access places. No crawling around under, over or hard to get to. Federal and universal muni Code requires power turn off within 6ft, so it's not a shock hazard. Only major requirements could be some sort of lifting device. Everything else is plug and play with sealed modules because you dont want your service people poking around the innards. Worse case the repair person needs a weeks training doesn't need the 36 weeks electronics course I required for servicing nuke missiles. All the techs I see lately have pictures and instructions they watch on their phone.

So I stand on my original comment regarding service. Ain't rocket science, and I am qualified to determine that.

oil pan 4 10-13-2023 11:02 AM

I'm considered a superior but not in charge of anyone. It's great.

cRiPpLe_rOoStEr 10-14-2023 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Piotrsko (Post 688550)
Why would you need a journeyman to fix a charger?

Liability. You know, dealing with high voltage is far from dumbproof, and if some random guy who is not properly trained regarding both electricity itseld and proper use of protective equipment, an accident may be quite expensive...

Piotrsko 10-14-2023 10:06 AM

Liability here in the US would be held by the repair organization unless that was a single person operation. They would probably go after the charger company, the installer, the property owner and anybody else they can associate and has funds/insurance.

Your key comment is properly trained, journeyman is a pay grade

Hersbird 10-17-2023 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by redpoint5 (Post 688581)
I don't care much about the money as long as it's reflective of the value added.

Easy gigs bore me to death and I grow to despise them. Doesn't matter if I'm getting paid a ton to do something that doesn't challenge me.

Electricians don't have an easy job. They crawl on their bellies through puddles of water under houses, and tiptoe in rafters in 130 degree attics. It's work to be proud of though, because one has endured the situation and made a thing better afterwards.



About the same rate I'm at. It's not the electrician's wage that is alluring to me, but the opportunity to eventually own an outfit. My personality requires that I'm either the janitor with no responsibility, or the owner with all the responsibility. Middle-management are for people who enjoy being a bully, or incompetent at making the big decisions.

When I said my job is now easy, I didn't mean taskless, doing nothing. Compared to the mindless, repetitive, physical job without responsibility, as a letter carrier. Now I have a less physical job with responsibility and use my brain in a variety of ways. For awhile I did do work all night while the machines ran and I was sort of just on call waiting for something to break. Some nights nothing broke. That was too boring and working all night sucked. Now I do jack of all trades repairs. One day I'll be doing HVAC, another electrical repair, locksmith, then plumbing, another I'll just be painting lines in the parking lot. It's also cool because I can look at a job and deem it beyond my ability or availability, or unsafe for the tools available (I dont have a bucket truck for really high work), then it gets farmed out to a contractor. All work if possible is supposed to be done by a post office employee more along, those dollars should stay in house. But if something looks like that ****ty crawl around in the spider hole job, I can just pass and they hire a contractor instead. I don't even have to be the one finding and hiring. The best part is I do a 150 mile radius so I'm sometimes just driving on the clock 6 hours a day which I have always liked.

cRiPpLe_rOoStEr 10-19-2023 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Piotrsko (Post 688652)
Liability here in the US would be held by the repair organization unless that was a single person operation.

I guess you know what I meant, keeping someone without proper training in charge (no pun intended) of the maintenance of recharging infrastructures.

Grant-53 10-23-2023 02:02 PM

I worked a number of technical jobs including inspections and testing. Once a notice came up for a wind mill technician. Everything looked fine until I got to the part about being able to rappel 200 feet.

JSH 10-31-2023 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Hersbird (Post 688564)
It probably depends on what is failing. The circuit boards and communication links can be back doored, but there are also some dangerous high voltage connections, inverters, and transformers, cooling systems, etc. That would need actual electricians. These things are probably more complicated and dangerous than commercial HVAC systems.


The biggest issue we've had with chargers at work is payments and communication with the vehicle. Generally it is something that can be reset and fixed remotely but the average person doesn't call the number on the charger - they just move to the next one.

The basic electrical components are pretty reliable.


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