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Gatech 07-03-2012 11:47 PM

A gift for HHO Skeptics!
 
Helllooooo!!. (First, sorry by my english ;) )

I'm really happy reading that LOT of sceptics about HHO here!. It's cool, there are sceptics about all in this world!. Specially if you don't test something :turtle:

Most of HHO lovers, like me, began as skeptics, is normal in this life, no?.

Ok, first...

1. I want all you to read this: http://www.panaceauniversity.org/Hyd...Combustion.pdf

2. Ohhhh, a Forum of Scammers?, of People wasting time writing fake things?
Testimonials!!!!!!!!!!!!! - HHO Forums - Trying to facilitate the production of HHO for the common folk.
Over 140 testimonial fake posts? :S
Over 3000 fake members on a NON-SELLING Forum?. Really?.

3. What a lot of "fake" information on an Open Source Forum!
Hydroxy Gas

4. More fake info? References Validating HHO Technology

5. NASA also speaks about fake things! http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/ca...1977016170.pdf

6. WTF!!!!!!! A 343 Pages Fake Open Source Document!! http://www.panaceauniversity.org/Hydroxy%20Boosters.pdf

Friends... HHO works, really...


Speaking seriously, some things have happened in HHO Boosters evolution:

1. 98% of HHO Sellers are Scammers :D
2. 98% of HHO Boosters are bull****! (inefficient!) Those that Scammers sell!.
3. Scammers sell **** systems: http://www.magnumtuning.com/carperfo...ell_magnum.jpg (that's a Wet Cell, inefficient, cheap, and bad!).
4. HHO Really let you run leaner without losing power or getting higher engine temps!, but you are adding Oxigen!, if you don't use an EFIE, Computer will send more fuel!. You need to use a CORRECT EFIE! with a Efficient HHO Cell! :) (Myth Busters tested this, but without EFIE! :P ).
5. There's a slim line between getting good results with HHO or not, that's the most big problem!. 99% people testing HHO systems, do a BIG mistake: Spending a LOT of Ampers for getting higher amount of HHO... There's a point of the best result, but is far away!. You need ~ 4Amps / 1L engine size ;)...

Sorry, I'm not in the english speaking level to fight with skeptics, for me is hard to write hehe.

Only I can say, it WORKS, but it have to been done CORRECTLY!.

In my Carburetted car I got ~50% more MPG after tuned correctly my HHO System + Carburettor + Distributor.



Regards. Gatech.

HydroJim 07-04-2012 12:14 AM

Thank you for posting this. I too run a custom HHO system and although I have yet to test it in my Ford Focus, I tested a system in my dad's Jeep and received a 20% boost and that was with an inefficient wet cell.

Gatech 07-04-2012 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by HydroJim (Post 315139)
Thank you for posting this. I too run a custom HHO system and although I have yet to test it in my Ford Focus, I tested a system in my dad's Jeep and received a 20% boost and that was with an inefficient wet cell.

Thanks to you, Jim.

I have got ~50 more MPG with no more mods :), is that ~33% savings? :)

niky 07-04-2012 12:23 AM

On my EFI car, I got more MPG after I tuned my ignition and fuel maps.

On our old carburetted cars, we got more MPG after we tweaked the distributor and jets.

It's not enough to do all that and claim that this single part of it is what makes the modification work. You've got to know why and how it worked. If you're simply relying on the gas generated to boost octane and suppress detonation from running much leaner, you could do the exact same thing with water injection (water injection allows you to run tres lean), without spending on the extra current to electrolyze it.

I also find it funny that in the testimonial thread, there was a user stating that the increased MPG also happened when the kit was off. Which indicates the likelihood that it was merely the cleaning properties of the higher octane mix with hydrogen that caused the increase in economy... and not the on-the-fly enrichment itself. :D

But seriously, no one is debating the added hydrogen helps combustion. That's a given. The question in my mind is whether the extra steps required to release that hydrogen are worth it versus injecting the fluid you're making the hydrogen from (water) straight into the chamber with the appropriate delivery system.

Frank Lee 07-04-2012 12:27 AM

Gee, so convincing, gotta go now, gonna stay up all night fabbing up a ho ho ho system. :rolleyes:

Gatech 07-04-2012 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by niky (Post 315142)
But seriously, no one is debating the added hydrogen helps combustion. That's a given. The question in my mind is whether the extra steps required to release that hydrogen are worth it versus injecting the fluid you're making the hydrogen from (water) straight into the chamber with the appropriate delivery system.

My point is the fame that made that lot of SCAMMERS!.

With inefficient HHO "Generators" you need a LOT of Amps from Alternator!.

In my tests, I got the best fuel economy with 6.5Amps (is that a Lot?) on my 1.5L engine :)

In this topic I'll try to ignore skeptics without arguments (specially if they haven't tested a HHO System :) )

Greetings since Colombia!

Frank Lee 07-04-2012 12:35 AM

Bogus, Columbia.

ron 07-04-2012 01:06 AM

browns gas works you just need alot!!! of it and the old something for nothing comes to mind I did start a set up just never finished it, lots of stainless stuff & plastic spacers on the bench

Gatech 07-04-2012 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ron (Post 315153)
browns gas works you just need alot!!! of it and the old something for nothing comes to mind I did start a set up just never finished it, lots of stainless stuff & plastic spacers on the bench

THAT'S THE MISTAKE!. You DON'T need a lot!.

You should try to continue with your project!.

I got my best results with about 0.6LPM of HHO (6Amps)

But one thing, WITHOUT EFIE you WON'T see positive results :D

jakobnev 07-04-2012 02:13 AM

Quote:

In my Carburetted car I got ~50% more MPG after tuned correctly my HHO System + Carburettor + Distributor.
Any fancy links for us documenting your work tuning the car for best mileage before adding HHO?


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