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thebrad 04-03-2008 02:22 PM

Help! SVO/WVO Diesel Conversion?
 
I am very interested in buying an old MB and converting it to run on vegetable oil, but my concern comes in the way of is it really "worth" it? Sure it will be cheaper in the long run, but initial start up is quite costy. Which seems to be the main hurdle with any alternative energy/fuel.
Anyway, for those individuals who have done this conversion what are your thoughts?

Sell my 96 Civic CX which returns 50mpg and buy a 70+ MB Diesel which gets maybe 35 mpg tops but runs on vegetable oil?

All contributive thoughts are welcome. :thumbup:

jesse.rizzo 04-03-2008 02:34 PM

I don't really know about the conversion itself, but another thing to factor is the cost to maintain a Mercedes. While Hondas and Mercedes are both known for their longevity, the Mercedes is much harder and more expensive to maintain.

thebrad 04-03-2008 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jesse.rizzo (Post 17675)
I don't really know about the conversion itself, but another thing to factor is the cost to maintain a Mercedes. While Hondas and Mercedes are both known for their longevity, the Mercedes is much harder and more expensive to maintain.

In my eyes, I am at a loss with either car.
A 30+ year old mercedes that needs some help or my Civic which had one prior owner who lived by the beach and neglected some pretty basic maintanence in my eyes (minor rust and terrible paint).
So they're both candidates for restoration or at least all those fun unseen costs.

However, I have no real problems with a spartan interior. As long as a vehicle is mechanically sound and not rotting away on me, I think I'll be cool.

thebrad 04-04-2008 04:26 PM

Bueller?

thebrad 04-05-2008 01:04 PM

No one here is running on SVO/WVO?

bennelson 04-05-2008 01:11 PM

I think most people here are modding small gasoline cars.

I am very interested in biodiesel and waste vegetable oil conversion but would want to do it with a small pickup truck or some other utilitarian, yet still fuel efficient vehicle.

Getting pretty hard to find Rabitt pickup trucks nowadays!

I have met a local restaurant owner who has a large Dodge diesel pickup truck. I believe he was just adding filtered waste oil directly into his tank as a blend to petro diesel to thin it out.

He hasn't had any trouble with it. Pretty bold to do that with a big fancy new truck.

thebrad 04-05-2008 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bennelson (Post 18000)
I think most people here are modding small gasoline cars.

I am very interested in biodiesel and waste vegetable oil conversion but would want to do it with a small pickup truck or some other utilitarian, yet still fuel efficient vehicle.

Getting pretty hard to find Rabitt pickup trucks nowadays!

I have met a local restaurant owner who has a large Dodge diesel pickup truck. I believe he was just adding filtered waste oil directly into his tank as a blend to petro diesel to thin it out.

He hasn't had any trouble with it. Pretty bold to do that with a big fancy new truck.

Plenty of Rabbit trucks for the picking on the Craigslist's westcoast. Checkout crazedlist.org

I'd prefer a VW too, but people seem to price gouge with the Rabbits and Golfs. I'm not going to tolerate that when I can do the same thing for a cheaper platform (Mercedes 200d/240d). While I will be sacrificing sport and MPG for this.

Heynow999 04-05-2008 08:07 PM

I have a truck that I run on WVO, so I guess I think it is worth it.

As for old Benz's, I have one. I bought it to convert, but even if I weren't going to convert it, I would still want to drive a car like this. I like it because it is so reliable. Any 1979-85 5 cylinder Benz is bulletproof. They made 2.6 million of these cars. You can still get any part you need.

Want a cheap conversion?

http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/eve/foru...322#5131092322

AndrewJ 04-05-2008 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by thebrad (Post 18010)
I'd prefer a VW too, but people seem to price gouge with the Rabbits and Golfs. I'm not going to tolerate that when I can do the same thing for a cheaper platform (Mercedes 200d/240d).


Man things just aren't the same where I am.

Any old Merc diesel is going for $3500-$6000

I almost bought an '83 Isuzu diesel pickup instead of my CX.

I think any of those old diesel minitrucks (Isuzu, Toyota, Mazda) would be a great platform to convert, and they can usually be had fairly cheaply.

thebrad 04-05-2008 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Heynow999 (Post 18050)
I have a truck that I run on WVO, so I guess I think it is worth it.

As for old Benz's, I have one. I bought it to convert, but even if I weren't going to convert it, I would still want to drive a car like this. I like it because it is so reliable. Any 1979-85 5 cylinder Benz is bulletproof. They made 2.6 million of these cars. You can still get any part you need.

Want a cheap conversion?

http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/eve/foru...322#5131092322

Cool link:thumbup:
I just asked the same question on their board and they told me to graduate college before doing it. Haha, I guess that makes enough sense. I'll keep my eyes peeled for some diesel deals.

AndrewJ, I'm just really willing to travel to get the best deal. I've lived in Nortern, Central and Southern CA so I am fairly acclimated to mind numbingly long trips on I-5.

SVOboy 04-05-2008 09:57 PM

Why not throw a diesel into the civic, ;)?

thebrad 04-05-2008 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SVOboy (Post 18077)
Why not throw a diesel into the civic, ;)?

Not worth the headache. :o
I'd rather swap in a D16Y5 or just buy a diesel to accomplish that.

Unless of course you know a diesel engine that is the same size and has mounting points similar to that of a D series Honda motor.

Heynow999 04-06-2008 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by thebrad (Post 18071)
Cool link:thumbup:
I just asked the same question on their board and they told me to graduate college before doing it. Haha, I guess that makes enough sense. I'll keep my eyes peeled for some diesel deals.


I look at it like a hobby, so while I agree with the comment about graduating first, if you are looking for a hobby, it is a good use of your time. Keep an eye out for a cheap diesel, and work on it in your spare time. You can often find old 5 cyl diesel that are not running or running bad that only need new fuel filters. The owners don't want to put money into an old car and they virtually give it away. Heck, I had a high mileage 1983 300td that would have been great for WVO, and I sold it for $300. It ran, but it had rust and a broken spring. I had found a much nicer Benz and I just wanted to get rid of it. I believe the owner has converted it to WVO

What I wouldn't do is sell your car and expect to buy a Benz and get it up and running in 2 weeks

Peter

jon cook 09-17-2008 04:41 AM

hi. i dont know how many members you have from the uk.

we have had diesel costing about £5.00($9.00us) fro a while so the issue of svo/wvo has been discussed quite extensively.

most of the 4x4 forums have posts on the subject.
The Mitsubishi Pajero Owners Club® :: View Forum - Bio-diesel / SVO / alternative fuels
Mitsubishi Delica Owners Club UK™ :: View Forum - Biodiesel / SVO

i hope that my post is of some help.

john cook

broomhandle 10-26-2008 01:13 AM

i wouldnt do it... ive had mercedes diesels for a long time some with over 400k miles, and they are very cheap to run and repair when they break and thats usually never. bio or veg is not about millage, its about clean air. you actually get worse millage. i would stick with your honda civic as those are great cars. plus its a newer car, unless you can get a brand new bluetec mercedes...

bennelson 10-26-2008 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by broomhandle (Post 69208)
its about clean air. you actually get worse millage. i would stick with your honda civic as those are great cars.

I know several people who got BETTER mileage running WVO than petro-diesel.

I wouldn't mess with converting a Civic though.

A guy I know has a pair of old Mercedes, the one runs on Bio-Diesel, the other on WVO. He makes his own bio-diesel in the garage in the summer, and stock-piles it for the winter. (It's easier to make at warm temperatures.)

Kit's to convert a vehicle to waste vegetable oil system aren't terribly expensive, I think a lot of them run around $1200. Greasecar is a popular one I have heard mentioned a lot. Or get creative and build your own!

Intrigued 10-26-2008 03:12 PM

WVO/Biodiesel
 
There is a guy that sells a biodiesel conversion setup on eBay that lives within an hour of here, ( BIODIESEL PROCESSOR HDPE NO PVC! Makes 45 Gallons - eBay (item 150304021397 end time Nov-14-08 14:19:36 PST) ) and a shop that converts diesels to WVO in the Springfield area - also within an hour. ( Welcome to Golden Fuel Systems! - HOME ) I've thought about going either way, since the best mileage car I ever owned was an '83 Pontiac 6000 with the V-6 diesel. It got mid-30s with A/C on consistently!

TomEV 10-27-2008 01:00 AM

A neighbor has an old MB that he converted to WVO. Apparently not a hard conversion to do, but (according to him) the biggest mistake he sees is people converting their cars to WVO only (without a 'start/shutdown' small dino diesel tank). Cold starting on straight WVO can be difficult (or not possible in some cases).

He does recommend converting to WVO, and is very happy with his 'grease car' MB.

Intrigued 10-27-2008 10:07 AM

I'm with your neighbor, TomEV. According to what I've seen on the different conversion sites, going with the fossil fuel on startup/shutdown wards off the issues of fuel gelling up in the lines when cold. It may be overkill, but I've thought of using my own homemade biodiesel for startup and shutdown, and running the WVO after things warm up.

An ideal-for-me setup would be to have a diesel pickup with the above adaptations for trips/hauling/pulling a trailer, and an electric car for the other 90% of the time. :thumbup:

bennelson 10-27-2008 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Intrigued (Post 69387)
An ideal-for-me setup would be to have a diesel pickup with the above adaptations for trips/hauling/pulling a trailer, and an electric car for the other 90% of the time. :thumbup:

I've been thinking the same thing for a long time!
I'm just finally finishing up the electric car part!

Intrigued 10-27-2008 12:47 PM

I am soooo wishing I was there now. I would laugh at the high prices at the pump every time I drove by - and they'll be back up to the stratosphere again... :mad:

I've got to finish my "second-childhood learning" at the university and get that Bachelor's degree so I can be productive again. Then it's off to the races! :turtle:


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