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jalmir 09-12-2012 03:29 PM

higher MPG ... higher gas prices!!!
 
Damn, prices around here are getting CRAZY!!!

Thank God for this website, my average MPG got up but so is gas price. This morning some place in Montreal had 1.534$ per liter :eek:

That's 5.8$ per gal!!!! :mad:

Yersterday average was 1.384$ and today it's 1.499, a rise of 11.5 cents per liter (or 43.5 cents per gal) in one night! WTF?!?!?!

/rant

Frank Lee 09-12-2012 03:34 PM

I was just gonna post on gas prices too- $3.99 regular here today, quite the increase in such a short time frame too. :thumbup:

jalmir 09-12-2012 03:39 PM

ha! I dream of 3.99 a gal, that would be around 1.05$ per liter, we didn't saw the equivalent of 3.99$ for a good 3 years now! :(

Frank Lee 09-12-2012 03:46 PM

Must be all that cheap, readily available shale oil?

Saskwatchian 09-12-2012 03:53 PM

funny, I bought the cheapest gas I had seen all summer yesterday @ $1.229 /L


I would complain about prices but it is my choice to drive as much as I do and high fuel prices drive advances in fuel economy.

If only americans payed the same progress would be a bit quicker!

JethroBodine 09-12-2012 04:08 PM

$4.12/gal. here, but that's diesel. When gas dropped $.40/gal, diesel dropped $.10. Gas has rebounded $.50 and Diesel $.20. Both fuels that are delivered today were made with fuels that were delivered yesterday. Still amazes me.

baldlobo 09-12-2012 04:25 PM

winnipeg is still sitting at 1.219/l

GasBuddy.com - Find Low Gas Prices in the USA and Canada

Frank Lee 09-12-2012 04:28 PM

I bet if a person went around telling people that someday in the not-too-distant future gas would be $4/gallon at the time when gas was 40cents/gallon, people would have laughed in the person's face as the notion would have been so preposterous.

How about another 10x rise to $40/gallon?

As an aside, G.F.'s kid just got hisself a full-size V8 4x4... for commuting and general tearing around... he's pretty proud of his newly fitted "pipes" too... the price of gas is of no concern, it just is what it is. :rolleyes:

jalmir 09-12-2012 04:28 PM

how I wish I could go back to the days when I started driving at 30 something cents a liter!!!

Still remember when gas station had to go over 1$ and add a space on their price board, everybody was freaking out! hahahahaha (crying a little at the same time as laughing)

user removed 09-12-2012 05:21 PM

$3.469 here at Wally World. 15 cents discount if you use their card. I think my last tank on the ibke was $.0375 per mile. The Fiesta is a little more than twice that. I have bought gas for 18 cents a gallon and seen the price at 12.9 cents a gallon.

It cost me 1 cent a mile in 1968 when I was making 65 cents an hour right out of high school at the amusement park.

regards
Mech

Ryland 09-12-2012 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jalmir (Post 327540)
Still remember when gas station had to go over 1$ and add a space on their price board, everybody was freaking out! hahahahaha (crying a little at the same time as laughing)

It was only a few years ago when gas stations had to buy new signs because there old ones only went up as high as $1.99.

Frank Lee 09-12-2012 06:21 PM

Wait til they need new signs again for $xx.xx!

redyaris 09-12-2012 06:31 PM

I wonder if 3-wheeler @ 115 mpg thinks very much about fuel prices? I know that at 56 mpg I will be laughing at fuel prices until they get to $5/L [$19/gal]. At which point I will be singing with the quire, unless of course I can get to over 100 mpg...

Ryland 09-12-2012 06:45 PM

http://inflationdata.com/Inflation/i...line_price.jpg
Inflation adjusted Gasoline Price Chart
seems to show that gas prices haven't moved that much, that they have dipped down to $1.50 and up to $4 after being adjusted for inflation put it in much better perspective.

redpoint5 09-12-2012 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryland (Post 327561)
seems to show that gas prices haven't moved that much, that they have dipped down to $1.50 and up to $4 after being adjusted for inflation put it in much better perspective.

Was going to post that if someone else didn't. I started driving in '98, when inflation adjusted prices were at an all-time low.

I could fill the '69 Beetle for a ten dollar bill and get $2 change. Would fill the '76 Honda CB750 with a five and get a dollar back.

I watched a friend's dad put $100 into a motor-home and thought you'd have to be filthy rich to afford that. My truck will take $120 in diesel easily. I once put $20 in the truck and it wasn't enough to turn the low fuel light off!

Ryland 09-13-2012 12:31 AM

If you look at charts of minimum wage, working for an hour gets you around 2.5 gallons of fuel, it's been as high as 4 gallons a few times and as low as 2 gallons but I couldn't find a time that it got you less then two gallons or more then 4.

ChazInMT 09-13-2012 12:55 AM

I wonder if "Big Oil" is trying to get Obama unelected?:confused: I'm really not very passionate about politics at all, and not much of a conspiracy theorist either:eek:, just sort of a curiosity thing. This seems a little too coincidental. :p

This :eek: icon thing kills me! He's like: :eek: Thats a black helecopter with no tail number over my house!!!

redpoint5 09-13-2012 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryland (Post 327623)
If you look at charts of minimum wage, working for an hour gets you around 2.5 gallons of fuel, it's been as high as 4 gallons a few times and as low as 2 gallons but I couldn't find a time that it got you less then two gallons or more then 4.

I do appreciate new ways of looking at data, but why compare fuel prices to an artificial wage floor?

If I were ever stuck at minimum wage for a length of time, a car would be among the last things I would own.

As an aside, I do find it offensive that my government makes laws concerning the negotiated price that I may sell my labor.

euromodder 09-13-2012 01:51 AM

All fuels were over $5 at Yosemite - not that the Camry needed any gas yet.
About $1 more expensive than around SF / Modesto / Merced - lowest prices I've seen there started at $3.95 for 87.

89 was $4.7 somewhere along CA 156 / 101 ! Hello-oh !

Fuel prices seem to vary wildly in CA.

Ryland 09-13-2012 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by redpoint5 (Post 327628)
I do appreciate new ways of looking at data, but why compare fuel prices to an artificial wage floor?

Because inflation numbers can be skewed as well, so why not compare it to a figure like how much you can get for an hour of work? and other peoples wages tend to be based off minimum wage as well so I thought I would put that out there as another reference point, partly because a while back someone pointed out that the amount of energy that the average person uses every day is 100 times more then a single person can put out, a quarter HP or around 200 watts, so I think it's really reasonable to put fuel in to a term of how much you have to work to get it because in turn it does work for you.

ksa8907 09-13-2012 10:03 AM

if you have a smart phone, i highly suggest the Gasbuddy app. it will show you the prices of stations near you so you can find the lowest price. also, if you register on their site they will send you price hike alerts. im not affiliated with gasbuddy, just a very satisfied user.

jalmir 09-13-2012 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryland (Post 327659)
Because inflation numbers can be skewed as well, so why not compare it to a figure like how much you can get for an hour of work? and other peoples wages tend to be based off minimum wage as well so I thought I would put that out there as another reference point

yes and no ... taking the minimum wage as a reference will skew you calculations even more since it doesn't take payroll deductions and sales taxes into account and those tend to vary from one decade to another! So someones' "buying power" can vary a lot depending on these.

jamesqf 09-13-2012 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by euromodder (Post 327634)
All fuels were over $5 at Yosemite...

Sure. The gas station, like any business there, has to pay pretty hefty Park Service concession fees. Plus they've got a captive market: if you'd been dumb enough to drive into Yosemite without filling the tank first, you'd pay.

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89 was $4.7 somewhere along CA 156 / 101 ! Hello-oh !

Fuel prices seem to vary wildly in CA.
A lot of that is due to the fire that shut down a major Northern California refinery a few weeks ago. Supply goes down, price goes up. (I think that's covered in Economics 101.) We get most of the gas here from that area, and prices have gone up 40-50 cents/gal in the last few weeks.

Frank Lee 09-13-2012 03:09 PM

We don't get our gas from there and prices have gone up 30 cents. :confused:

Daox 09-13-2012 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redyaris (Post 327558)
I wonder if 3-wheeler @ 115 mpg thinks very much about fuel prices? I know that at 56 mpg I will be laughing at fuel prices until they get to $5/L [$19/gal]. At which point I will be singing with the quire, unless of course I can get to over 100 mpg...

I can tell you I don't think/worry about the price of gas at all. I wouldn't care (personally) if it doubled in price. I've isolated myself enough, with a combination of short work commutes and high mpg cars, that it doesn't even matter.

Fat Charlie 09-14-2012 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Frank Lee (Post 327712)
We don't get our gas from there and prices have gone up 30 cents. :confused:

Because they're still getting gas. From the refineries that normally supply you.

3-Wheeler 09-14-2012 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redyaris (Post 327558)
I wonder if 3-wheeler @ 115 mpg thinks very much about fuel prices? I know that at 56 mpg I will be laughing at fuel prices until they get to $5/L [$19/gal]. At which point I will be singing with the quire, unless of course I can get to over 100 mpg...

Yaris,

I read these posts just as much as anyone else!

Yes, it's great when others here on EM are trying to save fuel and reduce "earth heating" at the same time.

Jim.

basjoos 09-15-2012 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jalmir (Post 327540)
how I wish I could go back to the days when I started driving at 30 something cents a liter!!!

Still remember when gas station had to go over 1$ and add a space on their price board, everybody was freaking out! hahahahaha (crying a little at the same time as laughing)

The harder part was retrofitting their pumps with the gearing to spin another row of numbers in the price. The pumps had been built to handle a max price of 99 cents/gallon.

redpoint5 09-15-2012 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redyaris (Post 327558)
I know that at 56 mpg I will be laughing at fuel prices until they get to $5/L [$19/gal].

I predict your laughter to cease at a much lower price.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daox (Post 327722)
I can tell you I don't think/worry about the price of gas at all. I wouldn't care (personally) if it doubled in price. I've isolated myself enough, with a combination of short work commutes and high mpg cars, that it doesn't even matter.

You don't travel by plane? You grow your own food? Your consumption doesn't include many petroleum products?

It's hard to believe you have isolated yourself enough from the price of fossil fuels to not worry about how it will affect your lifestyle and standard of living.

The price of oil matters to nearly everyone, whether they want to admit it or not.

Frank Lee 09-15-2012 11:45 PM

I think about it but don't worry about it either as I've largely insulated my budget from oil prices. How? No daily commute and very little recreational tearing around via ICE. When I do drive the Tempo it gets high 30s/low 40s mpgs. Local transpo needs largely satisfied with walking, bicycling, and electric scootering. Not many shopping trips- mostly scavenging trips. Not much for flying around. When I sometimes feel like wasting my money at the casino, I make them drive me there and home via the courtesy van- it's the least they could do!

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The price of oil matters to nearly everyone, whether they want to admit it or not.
It's funny... who the price of oil matters to and who it doesn't. You'd sure think the young'uns with their wages generally at the lower end (come to think of it, most anyone with lower end wages) would be the most concerned about oil prices, but the anecdotal evidence I see every day indicates that group is the least concerned, judging by all their stupid wasteful tearing around in what are usually the least fuel efficient vehicles they can get their hands on. Oh well. :rolleyes:

Quote:

I know that at 56 mpg I will be laughing at fuel prices until they get to $5/L [$19/gal].
I laugh at them too; recognizing that fuel prices are only a portion of the cents/mile equation, and I'm generally under 10 cents/mile while the statistics say the average U.S. SUV/PU motorist is at 60 cents/mile (6x higher) could mean that if $4 gas is a tipping point of some sort for Ms. Average, all else being equal, I don't need to worry until it's 4 x 6 = $24/gallon.

Ryland 09-16-2012 12:53 AM

According to the radio program Freakanomics, our personal transportation is the single largest fuel use and that we would all be best off living within walking distance from our jobs and importing all of our food and other goods.
Of course there are a lot of oil based goods that we toss in the trash that are going to go up in price with the price of gasoline but we should stop using that junk anyway!
At work we tow a heavy trailer around and get 9 to 11mpg, costing $100 to fill up, but it's still a very small amount of our cost, even at $10 per gallon it would be a small part of our cost.

ron 09-16-2012 03:16 PM

yep here calif. 1969 I took down the 19cents a gallon sign and heard about it as it climbed all the way to 32cents a gal in 1970 when the 1st kid was born , but back then I would fill up the vw and get food for a week for 10bucks, today reg fuel 4.119 gal. cosco

jamesqf 09-17-2012 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ron (Post 328206)
...but back then I would fill up the vw and get food for a week for 10bucks...

Yeah, but back then you were probably earning about $1.50/hour :-)

ron 09-17-2012 03:45 PM

back then I was working as a xray orderly and training to be a xray technition. making 2.65 hr. mim wage was 1.65 ,no jobs for techs back then so I became a mechanic in 70. for the big bucks,3.26hr to start

jalmir 09-17-2012 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ron (Post 328475)
back then I was working as a xray orderly and training to be a xray technition. making 2.65 hr. mim wage was 1.65 ,no jobs for techs back then so I became a mechanic in 70. for the big bucks,3.26hr to start

and to think that some are still stuck at those wages in the US!!! :(

redpoint5 09-17-2012 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jalmir (Post 328485)
and to think that some are still stuck at those wages in the US!!! :(

Not legally. The gov't has laws concerning the negotiated price one may sell their labor for. The way they see it, being jobless is better than a low paying one.

jamesqf 09-18-2012 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ron (Post 328475)
back then I was working as a xray orderly and training to be a xray technition. making 2.65 hr. mim wage was 1.65 ,no jobs for techs back then so I became a mechanic in 70. for the big bucks,3.26hr to start

Which is my point. Stop thinking about the price of gas in dollars, and think of it as hours of your labor (or the labor of someone doing similar work to what you did back then).

War_Wagon 09-18-2012 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jalmir (Post 327523)
Damn, prices around here are getting CRAZY!!!

Thank God for this website, my average MPG got up but so is gas price. This morning some place in Montreal had 1.534$ per liter :eek:

That's 5.8$ per gal!!!! :mad:

Yersterday average was 1.384$ and today it's 1.499, a rise of 11.5 cents per liter (or 43.5 cents per gal) in one night! WTF?!?!?!

/rant

Fuel prices always rise in the first few weeks of September. Over the summer, there is less demand (no parents taking their kids to school, no school buses, less use of vehicles / transit by older students, more adults taking vacation to be with their kids so less commuting to work etc etc). If you have a commute that involves a "rush hour", think about how much of a gong show it is the first week classes go back in - all that extra traffic/busses/people that haven't worked out car pools yet sucking up all that extra fuel. Travel in the summer is more of an option for a chunk of the population, so prices reflect that, but come September the oil companies know that rule goes out the window so prices go up toute de suite!

ChazInMT 09-18-2012 04:19 PM

[QUOTE=War_Wagon;328713]Fuel prices always rise in the first few weeks of September. QUOTE]

Sounds Plausible....then I looked at gas historic gas prices, and...Myth Busted. Gotta throw the brown flag on this September Rise theory. Sorry.


http://madashelland.com/wp-content/u...ce20042012.gif

Funny thing, I don't remember gas being $1.80 in 2009. Isn't that when Obama took office? Yeah, I guess we voted for change. :p

War_Wagon 09-18-2012 04:41 PM

Interesting. If I am wrong I am wrong, maybe it just seems like that up here? I will see if I can find some Canadian figures.

I wonder if there is a way to look at how quickly prices rise over a certain time? Meaning, when prices rise, when do they have the greatest percent change in the shortest period of time? So not the highest overall price, just the quickest percentage of change?


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