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Cd 05-11-2023 05:47 PM

How does heat affect air flow around exhaust ?
 
Just as the title asks, how does heat coming from hot engine exhaust affect the cool oncoming air ?

( I'm thinking of how that air reacts in clouds when cool air meets warm air. )
From what I understand ( or don't ! ) the air creates a vortex.

j-c-c 05-11-2023 09:38 PM

Intuitively I suspect if airflow was originally laminar, it would increase drag, if not, it might reduce drag. I'm only guessing waiting for those above my paygrade to respond.

freebeard 05-11-2023 10:59 PM

Myself also.

Whatever the effect it's probably minimal for an exhaust buried in the underbody. The edge cases would include side pipes at the rocker panel and vertical stacks on a truck.

I gave it my best shot in 2014. Here's vertical stacks with a Coanda nozzle the full height. Because why not?

Cd 05-13-2023 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 684049)
Myself also.

Whatever the effect it's probably minimal for an exhaust buried in the underbody. The edge cases would include side pipes at the rocker panel and vertical stacks on a truck.

I gave it my best shot in 2014. Here's vertical stacks with a Coanda nozzle the full height. Because why not?

(Was a picture attached ? I'm not seeing one.)

freebeard 05-13-2023 08:19 PM

There spozta wuz....

https://ecomodder.com/forum/member-f...ckup-truck.png

Really more suited to a canopy or camper. But there's a single-wheel trailer and half-tonneau as well.

aerohead 05-15-2023 11:28 AM

'exhaust heat / vortex '
 
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Originally Posted by Cd (Post 684038)
Just as the title asks, how does heat coming from hot engine exhaust affect the cool oncoming air ?

( I'm thinking of how that air reacts in clouds when cool air meets warm air. )
From what I understand ( or don't ! ) the air creates a vortex.

Considering that cars can be front-engine, inline, transverse, mid-engine, rear-engine; have fully-wrapped exhaust systems, fully-exposed exhaust systems, etc., you might want to choose a specific vehicle that we could think about.
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The 'meteorological ' vortex phenomena require special conditions, usually constrained by convective-available-potential-energy ( CAPE ) along the squall line ( recently 1,300-miles in length ), which limits the warm, moist, equatorial 'Gulf' air's buoyancy and ability to penetrate the cold inversion layer aloft, tapping into 33,000' - 47,000' sub-freezing temperature, high-density air, which is part of supercell dynamics, along with opposing shear winds around 10,000-feet, which create the 'couplet' which aids the ant-cyclonic circulation which will lower to the ground in a wall cloud as the vortex.
All this begins at the poles, with the polar vortex.

freebeard 05-15-2023 01:26 PM

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All this begins at the poles, with the polar vortex.
Now there is a 'big' picture' approach.

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One of the great American visionaries of the twentieth century, R. Buckminster Fuller (1895-1983) endeavored to see what he, a single individual, might do to benefit the largest segment of humanity while consuming the minimum of the earth's resources. Doing "more with less" was Fuller's credo.
You start with Universe and discard anything at too large or too small a scale; which involves discernment.


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