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Old 08-14-2008, 07:32 PM   #11 (permalink)
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It's an interesting question, and sorta campaigns for electriv vehicles;

The silent drive by killers ... LOL

WHat I still do not understand is this; Every other industry has seen developmental booms, from the microchip to the automobile, yet we still drag our feet with batteries. What are we not suppose to know about batteries that makes their advancement so slow, other than the cleanest method of propulsion out there?

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I wouldn't worry about the water in terms of Global Warming because it's not a "greenhouse gas".
You got it So So wrong with that statement

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The most important greenhouse gases are:

* water vapor, which causes about 36–70% of the greenhouse effect on Earth. (Note clouds typically affect climate differently from other forms of atmospheric water.)
* carbon dioxide, which causes 9–26%
* methane, which causes 4–9%
* ozone, which causes 3–7%

Note that this is a combination of the strength of the greenhouse effect of the gas and its abundance. For example, methane is a much stronger greenhouse gas than CO2—about 25 times more heat absorptive, but is present in much smaller concentrations.
Question: If you got the hydrogen from water in the ocean, then could you call that "closed loop"?

Question: What is the current world-wide automobile/CO2 production versus a "100% replacement" with fuel cell cars?

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Question: If you got the hydrogen from water in the ocean, then could you call that "closed loop"?
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If you derive Hydrogen from water of any kind, even polluted water, then all is well. The balance is not upset. However my theory claims that if we CREATE water from combining hydrogen and Oxygen separately, then we begin to throw off the natural balance...

I'm sure Arnold didn't think of this when he tried backing hydrogen cell vehicles in California.
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If you derive Hydrogen from water of any kind, even polluted water, then all is well. The balance is not upset. However my theory claims that if we CREATE water from combining hydrogen and Oxygen separately, then we begin to throw off the natural balance...

I'm sure Arnold didn't think of this when he tried backing hydrogen cell vehicles in California.
I think we are pretty safe because of the hydrogen side. Hydrogen is not really found naturally. It is an energy carrier and has to be generated by another process like electrolysis or steam methane reforming.
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I think we are pretty safe because of the hydrogen side. Hydrogen is not really found naturally. It is an energy carrier and has to be generated by another process like electrolysis or steam methane reforming.
That's why I say we are not safe ... because it is not derived from water of any kind, but from methane or other sources, thus adding water to the system.
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Depends on the methane. Are you using methane from cows? They make it from water and feed. Are you using methane from natural gas? You are in the same boat as oil.

We just need to make electrolysis more efficient and make generating electricity more efficient. Nuclear is by far the cheapest and cleanest way to make the most electricity. Maybe Mexico or Canada will let us build one or two on their land.
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Don't get me started on nuclear power, I thought it would be possible to compress a reactor to the size of a Rubic's Cube in order to power a vehicle that you could pass the power supply down from generation to generation ..

Ahhh to dream

Oh and how to protect it .. simple, make it out of the black box material on planes ... LOL
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I still have not found an answer to the original question but i have been thinking about this.

Even though water is a bigger green house gas its not as clear cut as that when it comes to global 'warming'. Some of you may be aware of something called global dimming. The effect was first really noticed in the US after 911 when all the flights were grounded.

There is a good documentary on it i watched a few years ago, i recommend
anyone thats interested in global warming watch it




If you go by some of that theory more water vapor that enters the air could produce more clouds to reflect light back into space it could just even things out if other pollutants are reduced its really impossible to hypothesize. It shows that its not as clear cut one might think.
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Nice video. Very interesting! I had never heard of global dimming.

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