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sendler 07-27-2018 01:25 PM

Hydrogen ran out
 
https://www.greencarreports.com/news...-in-california

oil pan 4 07-27-2018 01:41 PM

Hydrogen is about the stupidest fuel anyone could have possibly imagined to use to power a vehicle.

In other news, no shortages of fuel or places to get fuel for my nissan leaf.

I just noticed this was in fossil fuel free forum. Which is funny because the only logical source to make hydrogen from is to make it from natural gas. So hydrogen cars are just natural gas powered cars with the natural gas stripped down to its most basic exotic form.

redpoint5 07-27-2018 07:16 PM

I thought about putting a "Solar Powered" sign on my gasser, but figured the joke would be lost on nearly everyone.

gone-ot 07-27-2018 07:43 PM

There's LOTs of H2 in space (albeit far apart), but not so much down here on Earth.

redpoint5 07-27-2018 09:24 PM

Is there? I figured it would eventually oxidize, but perhaps not?

freebeard 07-29-2018 02:21 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_ion
Quote:

A hydrogen ion is created when a hydrogen atom loses or gains an electron. A positively charged hydrogen ion (or proton) can readily combine with other particles and therefore is only seen isolated when it is in a gaseous state or a nearly particle-free space.[1] Due to its extremely high charge density of approximately 21010 times that of a sodium ion, the bare hydrogen ion cannot exist freely in solution as it readily hydrates, i.e., bonds quickly.[
Hydrogen ions in the solar wind combine with oxygen atoms carried upward on earthspots (anvil-head thunderstorms) to make star water. The whole story is here:

https://www.suspicious0bservers.org/starwater/

cRiPpLe_rOoStEr 07-29-2018 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oil pan 4 (Post 574704)
Hydrogen is about the stupidest fuel anyone could have possibly imagined to use to power a vehicle.

Some 15 years ago I used to believe hydrogen would become commercially viable as a fuel by now at least in developed countries.


Quote:

I just noticed this was in fossil fuel free forum. Which is funny because the only logical source to make hydrogen from is to make it from natural gas. So hydrogen cars are just natural gas powered cars with the natural gas stripped down to its most basic exotic form.
Mercedes-Benz featured at least once a hydrogen-powered prototype that relied on methanol as the mean of storage for hydrogen. Well, most of the commercially-available methanol IIRC is produced out of natural gas anyway, even though it can also be brewed out of cellulosic and high-starch feedstocks (just like it happened with "moonshine" booze when the fermentation process accidentally led to some amount of methanol to contaminate it). But in the end it's too much more complicated. And nowadays with microturbine generators and solid-oxide fuel cells that are able to use hydrocarbons directly as a fuel, hydrogen seems even more pointless.

oil pan 4 07-29-2018 11:39 AM

Hydrogen can be made from non fossil fuel feed stock but as long as natural gas and coal are relatively affordable that's not going to happen.

sendler 07-31-2018 01:16 PM

Toyota want to make a Hydrogen fuel stack heavy truck.
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https://www.greencarreports.com/news...in-los-angeles
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cRiPpLe_rOoStEr 08-02-2018 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oil pan 4 (Post 574883)
Hydrogen can be made from non fossil fuel feed stock but as long as natural gas and coal are relatively affordable that's not going to happen.

No matter what feedstock would be used, nowadays I wouldn't hold my breath for hydrogen to be ever a mainstream fuel. It seems like most of the people who were excited about the perspectives of hydrogen-powered vehicles about 15 to 20 years ago have now turned their support to battery-electric vehicles, plus for other applications where the ability to burn some fuel remains desirable even if that's only as a backup power generation are more likely to rely on something like microturbines that can run on nearly anything that vaporizes into their combustion chambers.


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