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Xist 08-18-2014 10:49 AM

I was arrested!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Christ (Post 98403)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...+talk+to+a+cop

This is a seminar by George Bruch, who is a police officer, explaining exactly why you should never talk to cops without the presence of a lawyer.

I, personally, follow his advice strictly.

[http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...tml#post98403]

I am not giving any details publicly, but to the best of my knowledge, the police lied about every detail of what happened, and jail is a cold, dark, and scary place, and apparently they do not want you sleeping the night before you face the judge. Handcuffs and shackles hurt!

Please PM me if you want more information. I will call a lawyer as soon as their office opens. Hopefully we can get my car back soon and I want my clean record back!

radiantthought 08-18-2014 12:30 PM

Hopefully you're not in Arpaio country. If you are, I hope this isn't drug related. Godspeed.

nemo 08-18-2014 01:37 PM

Unfortunitly even if the charges are dropped the record will always show you were arrested.

MetroMPG 08-18-2014 05:53 PM

Yikes. Hope today went better than yesterday.

Cobb 08-18-2014 06:35 PM

Most back ground checks only go back 7 years, but this will remain on file. Make sure to get a copy and keep it if the charges are dropped.

Xist 08-18-2014 11:44 PM

According to Wikipedia, the Miranda rights only need to be read before interrogation, not arrest.

Jail guards really need to avoid asking inmates how they are doing.

"Well, I can think of worse experiences, but you do not want to hear about them, and thinking about them only makes this traumatic experience slightly worse."

Things that I did not realize:

Jail is cold. Someone arrested after me said that it minimizes germs and I read that cold inmates behave far better than ones suffering with the heat. I was wearing a t-shirt and shorts, but wore the same in Germany in the winter. I just could not sleep. You certainly do not get a blanket.

They never turn out the lights and you do not have any possessions, so you cannot cover your eyes.

They ask you if you have any history of depression or ever attempted suicide and then take your belt, shoelaces, and presumably anything else that you could use as an emergency tourniquet during the zombie apocalypse.

The jail guards actually treated me better than anyone else that night, although I made a point of saying "Sir," "Ma'am," "Yes, please," and "Thank you Sir" whenever appropriate.

I was the only one that spoke to the judge like that. It was mostly "Yeah, "Nuh-uh," and "okay." One girl was kicked out for refusing to stay quiet during court proceedings.

Despite being a first-time offender and painfully polite, the judge was upset when I asked him to explain the terms that he was using. I do not watch television and I find crime dramas to be depressing. Who is being killed this time? To the best of my knowledge, none of my friends have been arrested, and one told me she did not believe that I had been. My Sergeant said he never expected it to happen to me.

Despite making a point of speaking calmly and politely to a security guard and the police, I got along better with inmates who spoke freely about why they were arrested and what they had previously done--at least with us.

You would be surprised why security guards call the police and I have heard they need to answer every call.

I really want to hear the 911 tape. I am still trying to figure out parts of what happened. Mostly why.

You do not have any belongings in jail and you definitely do not have soap. I was well-hydrated when I went in and it was cold, so I used the steel toilet many times. You need to ask for toilet paper. I cried heavily, but my nose just ran the whole time because of the cold. I wiped my nose on my knees while handcuffed. The faucet is more of a water fountain, so I doubt it is clean, and you have hard little buttons instead of handles. Honestly, you are probably better off not washing your hands.

They gave me a surprisingly good sandwich for breakfast, plain, but decent. However, the guard opened the bag and had me grab it with my jail hands.

My cell was seven cinder blocks long, twelve tall, and as wide as it was tall. The top bunk was steel and the bottom was concrete. My foam pad was actually much thicker than the one that I use for sleeping in the Army and flat concrete was better than rocky ground I always had in the field.

There were two vents in the ceiling, each a grid of 2" squares, four squares wide, four tall, with two inches between holes--more or less, I certainly did not have a ruler!

One girl wailed for a very long time. At first, she sounded like a dog howling. Some inmates managed to sleep, but some of them must have practice.

One guard told me the time when I asked. Another inmate asked another guard and she just said "Morning." When he asked when we would see the judge, she also said "Morning."

The guard who escorted us to the exit said "Congratulations, you are going home." I pointed out that I used to have a clean record. He said "I spent six years as a Marine Officer. You knew what you were doing. You knew better."

That seemed like a poor time to tell him to do push-ups.

The City of Tempe is a high-volume customer of the towing company, which gives law-breakers a discount. I paid $62.20 to get my car back forty extremely-long hours after it was towed. It seemed sad that I was actually happy about that--after walking three miles during the afternoon.

niky 08-19-2014 12:15 AM

Sounds like a sucky experience. I would ask what the charges are, but it's best you get things sorted out before saying anything.

I imagine forum posts count as evidence? :D

Cobb 08-19-2014 12:21 AM

I wish I could get arrested. :eek:

Yeah, jail isnt that bad. :thumbup: 3 squares and a cot!!! Im a reverse vampire, so Im use to sleeping with the lights on. Being in rehab is a lot like jail.

Sounds like you were in a holding cell more or less vs prison. Its not that bad either way, there usually enough gay men in the population that the rape stuff is a non issue.

California98Civic 08-19-2014 02:08 AM

That sounds crappy. Whatever it was keep the identifying details off the interwebs until the situation/process is over. Actually, keep them off the web forever. BTW, there are websites now that post arrest records online. I'm sure there's one where you are. Just FYI. Don't sweat it too much from the perspective of jobs and such. I'm acquainted with people in the community who have been into all kinds of scrapes with the law. Some have done a little time here and there, 6 months, 2 years. They get jobs. They go to school. It's not a permanent brand, is my point.

Good luck. (By which I mean get a good damned scheister lawyer!)

;)

cRiPpLe_rOoStEr 08-19-2014 02:09 AM

Get a lawyer, seek for amendments based on that "moral damage" deal, and get the cop who arrested you screwed enough to regret the day he was born. BTW do you think your arrest was actually related to eco-mods?

Fat Charlie 08-19-2014 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr (Post 441043)
BTW do you think your arrest was actually related to eco-mods?

Lots of places have laws about hidden compartments that could be used to hide drugs. Any use of coroplast could get that thrown at you.

Xist 08-20-2014 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobb (Post 441025)
I wish I could get arrested. :eek:

Yeah, jail isnt that bad. :thumbup: 3 squares and a cot!!! Im a reverse vampire, so Im use to sleeping with the lights on. Being in rehab is a lot like jail.

Sounds like you were in a holding cell more or less vs prison. Its not that bad either way, there usually enough gay men in the population that the rape stuff is a non issue.

When I faced homelessness, I joined the Army, which fed me, gave me a place to sleep, and usually let me turn out the lights. Also, my clothing looks way better! Hopefully healthier women attracted to this type of man in uniform.

I was in a holding cell and then... I do not know, my own holding cell? I lovely concrete bed, but the foam pad was decent.

I had read 7 Horrifying Things You Didn't (Want to) Know About Prison | Cracked.com and I read it again, along with related pages. That former guard says most sex is consensual. Are we finished with this topic? Please? :)

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Originally Posted by California98Civic (Post 441044)
That sounds crappy. Whatever it was keep the identifying details off the interwebs until the situation/process is over. Actually, keep them off the web forever. BTW, there are websites now that post arrest records online. I'm sure there's one where you are. Just FYI. Don't sweat it too much from the perspective of jobs and such. I'm acquainted with people in the community who have been into all kinds of scrapes with the law. Some have done a little time here and there, 6 months, 2 years. They get jobs. They go to school. It's not a permanent brand, is my point.

Good luck. (By which I mean get a good damned scheister lawyer!)

;)

The guard that processed me said my mugshots will not be published. He also said that first-time offenders are offered community service without anything on their record, but that is apparently if they only cite you for one thing.

I am just going to assume fate intentionally hid this from me: 4 Things You Should Know Before Spending a Weekend in Jail | Cracked.com

Fat Charlie, fill in any gaps with body filler?

Cobb 08-20-2014 12:40 AM

"So, to recap, we have a man who's been accused of rape standing in front of a jailhouse shower clutching a broomstick that he's promised to "show me how to use" if I join him in that shower.

Read more: http://www.cracked.com/blog/4-things-you-should-know-before-spending-weekend-in-jail_p2/#ixzz3AtrpS095" :thumbup:

Xist 08-20-2014 05:20 AM

Cobb, I have read several articles on Cracked since the first one that I posted, but have not actually read the second one yet. I was going to, but a young lady was waiting.

One girl that I dated a year or two ago said that I am now a "bad boy," however, that seems to be all that she had to say. Everybody else says that it does not make sense that it happened to me, and so far, every girl has accepted it.

So far I have been asked three times if I was arrested for ecomods (or hypermiling). No, the only vehicle-related question they asked was if there was anything in my car that could injure them. That was very difficult for me because vehicles injure people all of the time and idiots injure themselves all of the time for no reason. He said "Sir, I need a yes or no!" He did not tear apart my car looking for rock candy or whatever and did not close his door on his head or anything. I asked what would happen to my car and they just said they would take care of it. That did not comfort me at all, but as I mentioned before, it cost $62.20 to get my car. I was just happy to get my car back.

They never said anything about my ugly airdam and grill block, although those do not create any hidden compartments. My forester does have a few in the trunk, just for the tools to change a tire. Again, I guess that if you do create any, you had better fill them.

Hypermiling was not involved, either.

UltArc 08-20-2014 12:19 PM

Very curious, Xist.

Fat Charlie 08-20-2014 12:43 PM

"Failure to disperse."

And posession of rubber bullets:
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/...save-y-008.jpg

XYZ 08-20-2014 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by UltArc (Post 441299)
Very curious, Xist.

I agree. Very curious, maybe even provocative.

Are you out on bail with a trial pending?

Why don't you tell us what the charges are? You are innocent until proven guilty and mentioning the charges won't affect the outcome of your case any.

California98Civic 08-20-2014 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XYZ (Post 441344)
Why don't you tell us what the charges are? You are innocent until proven guilty and mentioning the charges won't affect the outcome of your case any.

This is an open internet page. No lawyer will ever advise a client to go onto the open internet and start talking about your arrest and charges, and neither will any job counselor.

Cobb 08-20-2014 10:57 PM

What you"should" of done xist was ask for advice. Then say a "friend" of yours was arrested and ticketed with reckless driving, blah, blah, blah.

Your only hope at this point is to google your situation and read about others.

If you seriously area a member of the military your best chance maybe to reenlist and serve another round if its that serious.

XYZ 08-20-2014 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by California98Civic (Post 441393)
This is an open internet page. No lawyer will ever advise a client to go onto the open internet and start talking about your arrest and charges, and neither will any job counselor.

The arrest is a matter of public record. No one here knows XIST's actual identity. No one asked for any details that might affect the outcome of his case. I don't think his prospective future employers are going to read this forum, unless he directs them to it. Besides, they can look up his arrest record if they are so inclined, regardless of his stating it here.

However - for him to say "I was arrested" and then not say what he was arrested for, is provocative and attention seeking.

I'll stop short of saying that it borders on teasing us, or trolling.

XYZ 08-20-2014 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobb (Post 441395)
What you"should" of done xyz was ask for advice. Then say a "friend" of yours was arrested and ticketed with reckless driving, blah, blah, blah.

My advice to you is not to play the "ad hominem" game.

Cobb 08-21-2014 01:47 AM

Xist a troll?!?!?!?!?! No way!!!! :eek:

Quote:

Originally Posted by XYZ (Post 441398)
I'll stop short of saying that it borders on teasing us, or trolling.


deejaaa 08-21-2014 03:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XYZ (Post 441398)
......However - for him to say "I was arrested" and then not say what he was arrested for, is provocative and attention seeking.

I'll stop short of saying that it borders on teasing us, or trolling.

if you say that, you don't know him. don't use "us" when you are talking about yourself. if you don't know his situation then you can't make assumptions. quit while you're behind.

niky 08-21-2014 07:36 AM

Well, when you have legal trouble and don't know what to do, it's definitely in your best interest not to write any specifics about it until you get proper legal advice, even if what you're posting could be used in your defense.

In my moderation position on other boards, I've had to erase a number of posts and lock threads due to ongoing or resolved litigation.

You also don't want to post a rant about cops if such rant could come back to haunt you.

I can understand the need to vent, however, even if you can't say anything specific about the case.

redpoint5 08-21-2014 08:18 AM

I once had my car towed on a Friday night because my license was "invalid". The DMV had suspended my license for a period of time without notifying me, and after that period of time I was supposed to pay some fee to make my license valid. Again, they didn't notify me of this.

The car spent the whole weekend in the impound because it wasn't open on the weekends (although they seem to have no problem impounding more cars over the weekend). By Monday, I had to pay $300 to get the car out.

In court, I won the case when it was found that I was not properly notified of my license suspension. When I asked the judge how to get my impound fee back, I was told it was a private matter between me and the impound.

P-hack 08-21-2014 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by XYZ (Post 441399)
My advice to you is not to play the "ad hominem" game.

He is trying to state it in a way so you can talk plainly about it, because without any specifics, we can't really help you. And it is just a guessing game.

Xist 08-21-2014 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Charlie (Post 441307)
"Failure to disperse."

And posession of rubber bullets:
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/...save-y-008.jpg

Was there a story about someone getting arrested for not hearing an order while wearing hearing protection?

Quote:

Originally Posted by XYZ (Post 441344)
Are you out on bail with a trial pending?

Quote:

Originally Posted by XYZ (Post 441398)
I'll stop short of saying that it borders on teasing us, or trolling.

From my original post:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Xist (Post 440863)
I am not giving any details publicly...

Please PM me if you want more information...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobb (Post 441424)
Xist a troll?!?!?!?!?! No way!!!! :eek:

Why did you bring up World of Warcraft?

RedPoint5, did the impound company talk to you? I imagine they did not bother being polite.

By the way, if you get a three-day temporary registration and then re-register on-line for a year or two, the site kindly tells you that you will receive your registration in five business days. Then, the last day that I physically had registration, and was all packed and ready to go back up to Mom's after all of this drama (with permission from the judge), my check engine light comes on. It looks like a bad O2 sensor. I did not get very far with it yesterday.

I hate this, I am paranoid to leave the house. I keep expecting a courtesy stop to just inform me that a taillight is out, but then they find out about my arrest and stop being courteous. Just when I can finally sit with my back to a door.

I looked up stuff on-line. I do not know if it was more useful than talking to the lawyer or not, and the lawyer's fee is higher than the greatest possible fine.

XYZ 08-21-2014 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by niky (Post 441453)
Well, when you have legal trouble and don't know what to do, it's definitely in your best interest not to write any specifics about it until you get proper legal advice, even if what you're posting could be used in your defense.

In my moderation position on other boards, I've had to erase a number of posts and lock threads due to ongoing or resolved litigation.

You also don't want to post a rant about cops if such rant could come back to haunt you.

I can understand the need to vent, however, even if you can't say anything specific about the case.

Did I or anyone else ask for specifics? No, of course I didn't and I would advise against stating or discussing them - but it seems that some here are not comprehending what I wrote or reading into it something other than what I stated.

There is nothing disadvantageous about him telling us what the charges are. The charges brought against him are a matter of public record. It doesn't imply guilt. As the old saying goes, you can indict a ham sandwich - but that doesn't mean the prosecution's case is valid or provable.

What's the point of saying "I was arrested" then not telling what the charges are? Is it to keep us on the edge of our chairs wondering? :confused:

Fat Charlie 08-21-2014 02:31 PM

Because it's not about what possible penalties he might be looking at down the road.

It's about a crappy weekend that got dropped in his lap out of the blue. It looks like he knew what he was doing but doesn't know what was reported over the phone because the police response (and resulting weekend) wasn't in line with what he was actually doing.

It's about a crappy weekend just for coming to the attention of the police, just being held overnight and released.

California98Civic 08-21-2014 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XYZ (Post 441344)
... Are you out on bail with a trial pending?

Why don't you tell us what the charges are? ...

Those are specific requests, XYZ. There is no non-specific way to answer that. And answering when the date of arrest, approximate location of arrest, and gender and vehicle description of the person arrested are all already in this thread just increases the chances that he can't keep his anonymity. Your line of questioning is not friendly to his interests. He's on this social site, I imagine, looking for a little moral support, not free legal advice, which he can get elsewhere without exposing himself to the off chance of further headaches.

Cobb 08-21-2014 05:42 PM

Back in shop class we did a lot of stuff that was dangerous or could lead to an arrest. People were poked with a broom handle between the butt cheeks if they were bent over and the teacher was not looking. Others got a kick to the back of the knee so they fell over. Every now and then if you were focued on something you could get a quick slap from something between the legs.

We learned early on to watch where you faced your but when you bend over and to keep your legs closed. :thumbup:

One year we had a women in the class and the instructor was always by her side. Dont think he trusted her with any of us. :thumbup:

In wood shop guys like dropping pieces of scrap on the table saw and watching it fly across the room. Other times they sat up the belt sander to run and plugged it into an extension cord while the switch was in the on position.

Frank Lee 08-21-2014 07:57 PM

Wow, and I thought my class had the biggest idiots. :/

XYZ 08-22-2014 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Charlie (Post 441507)
Because it's not about what possible penalties he might be looking at down the road.

No one asked about "possible penalties". No one assumed he is guilty.

Quote:

It's about a crappy weekend that got dropped in his lap out of the blue. It looks like he knew what he was doing but doesn't know what was reported over the phone because the police response (and resulting weekend) wasn't in line with what he was actually doing.
Phone? It sounds like you know more about this incident than the rest of us do. Be careful not to mention any details...

Quote:

It's about a crappy weekend just for coming to the attention of the police, just being held overnight and released.
With most of us who have a crappy weekend it doesn't end up in being arrested. If there is no just cause for making an arrest he would have a valid case for false arrest. We all have civil rights and being arrested under false pretenses is not to be taken lightly.

Apparently he wants unconditional sympathy. Sympathy may make him feel better temporarily, but it won't help him with his legal issues. Once the sweetness of sympathy wears off the bitterness of coping with reality will remain.

XYZ 08-22-2014 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by California98Civic (Post 441526)
Those are specific requests, XYZ. There is no non-specific way to answer that. And answering when the date of arrest, approximate location of arrest, and gender and vehicle description of the person arrested are all already in this thread just increases the chances that he can't keep his anonymity.

Anyone who has ever read a newspaper knows that such things as indictment and/or bail are a matter of public record. Such aspects are not a private matter and can easily be discovered by those who want to know. I can understand his not wanting to admit them, but that might be owing to embarrassment, not due to legal vulnerability. But it also begs the question of why one confesses to a website that he was arrested but does not say for what reason. Is this relevant to anything automotive? Or is it just seeking a shoulder to cry upon?

Quote:

Your line of questioning is not friendly to his interests. He's on this social site, I imagine, looking for a little moral support, not free legal advice, which he can get elsewhere without exposing himself to the off chance of further headaches.
The moral support (AKA sympathy) he seeks may make you feel good for providing it, and make him feel good for receiving it. Unfortunately it doesn't change or improve his situation.

deejaaa 08-22-2014 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by XYZ (Post 441608)
The moral support (AKA sympathy) he seeks may make you feel good for providing it, and make him feel good for receiving it. Unfortunately it doesn't change or improve his situation.

put a stick in it why don'ya? log off and go away. you seem lost here.

XYZ 08-22-2014 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by deejaaa (Post 441614)
put a stick in it why don'ya? log off and go away. you seem lost here.

Who do you think you are, the resident speech bully?

Having civility on a discussion board means not telling others to shut up.

Daox 08-22-2014 11:45 AM

I think we're done now.


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