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Sean T. 10-17-2008 08:49 PM

I bet y'all are soooo jealous of me :-p 56K BEWARE!
 
Well... a friend and I decided to take a trip down to Detroit... to visit the Institute of Art.

I know, I know, it has absolutely nothing to do with EVs, but wait...

I decided to take advantage of a very little known fact. In a College of Creative Stuidies building, just across the street from the DIA sits... none other than... an EV1!!!!!!

As promised to Oval_Overload, here are loads and loads of pictures :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...1/P1010197.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...1/P1010198.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...1/P1010200.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...1/P1010201.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...1/P1010202.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...1/P1010203.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...1/P1010204.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...1/P1010205.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...1/P1010206.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...1/P1010207.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...1/P1010208.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...1/P1010209.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...1/P1010210.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...1/P1010211.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...1/P1010212.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...1/P1010213.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...1/P1010214.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...1/P1010215.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...1/P1010217.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...1/P1010221.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...1/P1010222.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...1/P1010223.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...1/P1010224.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...1/P1010225.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...1/P1010226.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...1/P1010227.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...1/P1010228.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...1/P1010229.jpg

It looked very sad, and I very much wanted to take it home with me :(

MetroMPG 10-17-2008 08:58 PM

Wow! THANKS for posting those.

Gotta love the flat tire.

There are pics I haven't seen before - like the belly pan & details of the interior. Good stuff!

Red 10-17-2008 09:05 PM

Kewl! Think it still works? Didn't look like a shell but a complete car

Tetsuo 10-17-2008 09:53 PM

It's probably complete except for the ECU, they took them out of all the remaining cars they donated to Academia to avoid the embarassment of people driving them on the road :(

There is one or two working ones left tho'...

That Doco, [Who killed the Electric Car] makes me SO mad at GM :mad:

Sean T. 10-17-2008 10:38 PM

Not sure where the ECU is, but there were a few plugs hanging down at my feet near the door hinge.

NeilBlanchard 10-17-2008 10:56 PM

Thanks Sean!

Now why the hell can't GM just start building these again?! That is just frickin' ridiculous! Who knows -- it might just save 'em from oblivion; and it is probably better than the Volt... Sheesh.

Red 10-18-2008 02:36 AM

I just find it sad that we had all this tech back in the 90s and now it seems like its oh so hard to redo it now almost 20 years later

bbjsw10 10-18-2008 08:25 AM

Great pics, Thanks. Hated the documentary on those so SaD.

cfg83 10-18-2008 02:29 PM

Sean T. -

Stunning, and you got to sit INSIDE!!!!!! The (front/rear?) axle picture is cool. I get the feeling it has low miles. Maybe it's always been a display/show car.

I'm happy that it at least escaped the crusher.

CarloSW2

SVOboy 10-18-2008 02:54 PM

Indeed, I am jealous! Mind if I use some of these pictures for a blog post?

MetroMPG 10-18-2008 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tetsuo (Post 67885)
It's probably complete except for the ECU

...and the battery pack. It looks to be riding a bit high on the rear suspension.

Every time I see these pics I'm struck by the urge to bring over a bicycle pump...

LUVMY02CREW 10-18-2008 04:47 PM

Very cool pictures indeed!!!

It blows my mind to think about how many thousands of these would be on the road today if GM had just stuck it out there for drivers to actually purchase :(

By now the technology, batteries, capacity, etc... would have been awesome if they would have pulled their heads out of the sand and listened to what folks were wanting even back then.

Sean T. 10-18-2008 08:07 PM

Carlo, it's a pic from behind at the rear axle. I know that there used to be a red EV1 in the Detroit Science Center and I don't think it's there anymore... so this might be the same one??? I haven't been to the Science Center in quite a few years.

SVOboy, feel free to use the pics :) I have never seen pics like this, so I figure not many other people have either. The students that walk past it every day probably don't even know how cool it is... sitting in the corner all sad and depressed.

bennelson 10-19-2008 08:55 PM

Can we sneak in and pump up those tires!?

The rolling resistance to too much to stand!!!!

Sean T. 10-19-2008 09:17 PM

You don't even have to sneak in. It's a college building full of classrooms and you can just walk right in. There is a security person at the front desk usually but they never bothered me... Another security guy saw me taking pics and asked me if I wanted to see the engine... I was like... uh... YEAH!

bennelson 10-19-2008 09:35 PM

That's it. Now I need a photo of me in an EV1 to go with the photo of me in a Tesla.

http://gallery.me.com/benhdvideoguy/...G_0006/web.jpg


I have heard there's one in a Museum in Madison, WI. That's only an hour from me. (An EV1, not a Tesla.)

Oval_Overload 10-19-2008 11:51 PM

Sean, those are some of the best EV1 pics I have ever seen!

Thanks, Dude!

O_O
[oval_overload]

MetroMPG 10-20-2008 10:00 AM

1 Attachment(s)
Had a chuckle over the patron's name on the wall behind the car. :)



http://ecomodder.com/forum/attachmen...1&d=1224511188

Yaristock 10-20-2008 06:21 PM

This makes me happy to see one still intact and not part of my ToGo mug thats red :o It also makes me very sad to see it in such deplorable condition. Did you see how dirty the interior was and how bad the paint looked. If I was anywhere near there I would clean the darn thing for free! If I get to sit inside and see the electronics of course, with camera.:p
edit: I'm copying these pics if its alright I probably won't use them for anything other than to make me sad this car is dead.

Yaristock 10-20-2008 06:25 PM

I doubt the tire would inflate it probably has a flat spot. Anybody else notice the coastdown button on the gear shift??? Would that be for a neutral coast? I thought that was something that happened whenever you released the accelerator.:confused:

Sean T. 10-21-2008 12:05 AM

The sculpture is outside... The EV1 is inside...

Inside the Walter B. Ford II Building... LMAO

And you guys feel free to copy the pics, just don't post them as your own. (don't take credit)

Oval_Overload 10-21-2008 11:36 PM

The Coast Down feature is covered in this video
Blast From The Past: A Look Back At The EV1 - CrazyMotion!

MetroMPG 10-22-2008 12:09 AM

Oval - thanks for posting that. Hadn't seen it before.

Now if I'd been designing a "coast down" button, it would be just that: neutral coasting. (More efficient to truly coast from speed down to zero than it is to drive up to the point where you can regen down to zero.)

It makes me wonder if the EV1 did not have light regen when releasing the accelerator, like Toyota's hybrids do, for example, or the Solectria Force EV.

azraelswrd 10-22-2008 01:34 AM

Anyone catch Frontline tonight? I missed the first hour because of work but they are focusing on alternative energy and global warming (I thought we're calling it climate change now?).

The 2nd hour spent 25 minutes on cars, alternative fuels, zero-emissions and the EV-1. I especially loved the part where the Big Three posed for pictures with their diesel-electric hybrids but behind the scenes were busy pushing SUVs and bigger trucks. Meanwhile... Toyota and Honda were in panic mode and scrambling to get gas-electrics out quickly.

(we all know what happened after that -- does The Big Three? Or do they still have their heads in the sand?)

But the real kick to the nuts was when Frontline was invited by GM to shoot some footage of the razzle dazzle savior Volt for a publicity shot. It couldn't even make it up a hill before stalling out. It had to be pushed into the recovery trailer. GM reps there told the reporter that they could just speed up the tape... wow... how come I don't get this kind of stuff from 60 minutes?

And yes, remembering what happened to the EV-1 still makes me cringe. :(

i_am_socket 10-22-2008 10:01 AM

Meanwhile the Big 3 are negotiating to become the Big 2.

Very awesome pics of the EV-1. The belly pan looked fairly modular with access panels and everything. Gives me some ideas for when I eventually get to mine (could be a while).

H-Man 02-01-2013 04:30 PM

I feel the need to bump this thread.
The EV1 would have about the weight of a geo metro if the battery pack was removed (1310lb for the lead acid,) if some form of fuel cell that could take gasoline and non fossil fuels was used, the EV1 would be quite sporty.
fueleconomy.gov EV1 page

Smurf 02-01-2013 05:19 PM

I would love to see someone take a Metro XFi base and build an EV1 body around it. It's a piece of aerodynamic beauty.

And yes, very depressing to think about EV1's story. To think of how the Prius kicked Big Three into doing more hybrids, what if they had kept the EV1 project going? They'd be lightyears ahead of Asia.

H-Man 02-01-2013 05:24 PM

There was a CNG powered version: General Motors EV1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
EDIT: Right below that is a hybrid that sounds like the Chevy volt.
The EV1 had a Cd of .195 with side mirrors. Chevy volt is something like .28.
Chevy volt has nothing on this beauty.

cRiPpLe_rOoStEr 02-01-2013 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by H-Man (Post 354291)
There was a CNG powered version: General Motors EV1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
EDIT: Right below that is a hybrid that sounds like the Chevy volt.
The EV1 had a Cd of .195 with side mirrors. Chevy volt is something like .28.
Chevy volt has nothing on this beauty.

We must not forget the EV1 was actually more an experimental vehicle than anything, so it had its practical limitations such as the # of seats. I've already seen some claims that it was initially aimed to be like an "electric Corvette".

H-Man 02-01-2013 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr (Post 354312)
We must not forget the EV1 was actually more an experimental vehicle than anything, so it had its practical limitations such as the # of seats. I've already seen some claims that it was initially aimed to be like an "electric Corvette".

I still want to see that Cd on a production car. If it had an efficient engine built for economy, it would be able to pull crazy EPA ratings.


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