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All Darc 06-19-2019 10:46 PM

Lab grown meat advances to steaks (small ones)
We know that lab meat, cow and chicken, it's no longer a science news, at least for a hamburguer, as grond beaf, or nugets for chicken. Anyway steaks was still a challenge, since only very small filaments was produced, requireing thousand to get something similar to ground beaf pice and so create a hamburguer.

But Israeli company managed to create small steaks grows in lab, small thin like the size of credit card :

This advances makes me wonder how they managed it. It could perhaps be used to help develop larger pieces of laf grown skin for burn victims.

Anyway if they till use bovine fetus serum to grown the cells, they are still hurting anymals somehow. I remamber a news about some scientists had found a way to use vegetal proteins, in a special serum made with vegetal extracts, to grown the cells, but I don't know if this israely company it's using this technology.

What about if they discover that human cells are easier to grown in lab?

freebeard 06-20-2019 10:03 PM

I read about this in a sci-fi novel in the 1950s, according to Wikipedia* possibly

To achieve that level, they will have to move from self-organized steak medallions to a mass of muscle tissue in a vat that they just slice fillets off of as it grows.

The cannibalism question is the reducto ad absurdum.


All Darc 06-21-2019 12:47 PM

Pepsi Cola have a chemical, not sure if it's one of many sweetners or whatever, that was originally extracted from one aborted fetus. They isolated that chemical and replicated it.
There are no abortions going to produce Pepsi Cola, but some religious people insist there are and refused to buy Pepsi. Even the first aborted fetus wasn't aborted for the Pepsi, but was already aborted and someone took a sample to study that chemical compound.

For human meat, honestly, I see no problem since nobody would be killed to produce the meat. In case if the human cell it's better, why not? It's just a cell sample replicated. It's more moral than torture and kill animals.


One problem of many lab meats is that they need bovine serun, extracted from bovine fetus to work as a nutricious mix from where the cell would take the nutrients they need. So for each 100kg of lab meat I suposed thay need to kill more than one bovine fetus.

Some new researchs pointed that was possible to use a vegetals extracts as a environement for cell culture. That would be the only way to lab meat be harmless to animals. I suposed synthetic nutrients (aminoacids, vitamins and minerals) are too expensive.

Do you remamber James Cameron's documentary about they supposed had found the bones of Jesus Christ?
If they could extract DNA from it, they could in theory recreate Jesus's meat, and all dinners would celebrate the body and blood of Christ. Holy dinners...

A new startup could emerge : Holy Meat.


Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 600446)
The cannibalism question is the reducto ad absurdum.


redpoint5 06-21-2019 03:53 PM


There's nothing morally wrong with eating human tissue grown in a lab, though it would take effort on my part to get past the uncomfortable idea. It would be best to feed it to me without saying what it is, and tell me later. Heck, I'm not entirely comfortable eating lengua yet, and would be uncomfortable eating cuy if it still largely resembled the guinea pig.

Torturing animals isn't right, but slaughtering them for meat is no problem. It's inefficient though, so I suspect we'll be eating lab meat in the future.

All Darc 06-21-2019 04:28 PM

It tastes like chicken...


Meat production it's not eco friendly and it's not necessary to live. And it increase disease rates. I'm vegan for health and for the well being of animals.

But I think you will quote me saying that by cell phones it's also animals exploitation, since a lot of people in poor asian countries works like animals to produce such devices. After all humans are als animals.


Originally Posted by redpoint5 (Post 600468)

There's nothing morally wrong with eating human tissue grown in a lab, though it would take effort on my part to get past the uncomfortable idea.

redpoint5 06-21-2019 05:27 PM

Voluntary labor isn't exploitation, regardless of who benefits, or by how much.

My company pays me because they deem my contribution to be of greater worth than the cost to employ me. Are they exploiting me since they see a greater benefit than they pay?

Likewise, I have determined my time is worth less than the amount they compensate me.

How can voluntary mutual benefit be deemed exploitation? It's either an abuse of the definition of exploitation, or ignorance.

All Darc 06-21-2019 05:34 PM

Voluntary??? Do you forgot that manytimes people have no alternative?
Many asian workers works up to exhaustion.


Originally Posted by redpoint5 (Post 600477)
Voluntary labor isn't exploitation, regardless of who benefits, or by how much.

redpoint5 06-21-2019 05:39 PM

Need is subjective. I might "need" my relatively high pay because that's what I have subjectively decided. Perhaps someone making millions would consider me exploited and deprived. It's not up to them to determine though, and they have no say in the matter because it isn't their time or money to negotiate with. They are equally contemptible to say I deserve less or deserve more, or that my needs are met or not met.

fusion210 06-21-2019 06:34 PM

I haven't kept up with it, but pretty exciting! I'd pay a few bucks more as long as it doesn't have any weird in it like the latest fake meat contenders.

Still need to try one of those burgers where mushroom is mixed into the meat, has anyone here had one?

freebeard 06-21-2019 07:20 PM


I'm vegan for health and for the well being of animals.
How do you feel about honey? I hear it's a point of contention.

Needs don't always align with choice. :(

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