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Focus-Ak 11-15-2017 04:48 PM

The low end of CdA -- Wow, I want one
 
Check out these velomobiles. Many aerodynamic features that have been discussed one way or another in this forum. There are three- and four-wheel models, from several manufacturers. Here are some videos:

Top 5 Velomobiles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t8L2lVM7Tc

Introducing the DFxl
(Gives a good inside and outside view, shows mechanics, etc.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSAnbawACCg

Capacity demonstration (funny).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPRX8k4nzmw

QuattroVelo - Some views
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-tCeDZRV5w

Ride to the Rhine River on Quest Velomobile
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wao0yDu7oKI

oldtamiyaphile 11-15-2017 07:38 PM

And in Alaska they'd keep you nice and warm.

Maybe not so practical in other places.

Grant-53 11-15-2017 08:40 PM

These are cropping up everywhere from Texas to Vermont. Sailplane ventilation systems and solar blocking coatings can be used as needed. Many are based on designs from Holland and can use electric motors depending on state laws. Prices vary with materials and options. Buy a trike and make your own Corovelo.

Ecky 11-15-2017 09:02 PM

Just built one of my own. With the very large electric motor I put in it, it's faster off-the-line than most sports bikes.

Features a boat tail, smooth wheel covers, air deflectors, a belly pan, max sidewall tires, economy instrumentation, and electric assist (1kwh battery).

The trike I picked up on Craigslist for $600. I probably have a similar amount into the electronics - I could've set it up for as little as $250 or so, but it would top out at 19mph rather than 51mph. The body is coroplast, zip ties, duct tape, plus some pipe hangars, threaded rods, bolts, and aluminum L.

EDIT: It also has a "trunk" which I can stand in, and can take probably 2-3 large bags of grocers.

EDIT2: I currently have parts on order to add turn signals, brake, and running lights to it.

https://i.imgur.com/X71rOjv.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/by7Slf9.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ty9Rld2.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/bzCOnsR.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/HcHAn7n.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/W5TYQaW.jpg

freebeard 11-16-2017 12:14 PM

Yaarr! It be needin' a pirate ship vinyl wrap.

I'm hoping to build an aero-trike, but I will start with this base:

http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-fr...1-100-1207.jpg

For the rollcage, ingress/egress and 328MPGe.

..and to take it to the Bonneville Flat Flats.

NeilBlanchard 11-16-2017 12:35 PM

It would be great to have their uber aerodynamics, along with electric assist (for climbing hills, etc. and for folks not in their prime), and with easier entry and exit (for folks not in their prime).

Stubby79 11-16-2017 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 554168)

..and to take it to the Bonneville Flat Flats.

Vs the Bonneville Not-So-Flat Flats? ;)

freebeard 11-16-2017 02:04 PM

The plan is to take the [F]un[U]tility[V]ehicle (not pictured) to America's Playground.

http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-fr...-salty-bug.jpg

NeilBlanchard — Ingress/egress is very important to me.

Grant-53 11-16-2017 11:27 PM

Search 'corovelo' on Google image. A VW type I is a high drag shape.

freebeard 11-17-2017 11:57 AM

No kidding. But the picture is of America's Playground. Even though the light appears normal, when I got there the first time, I was snow-blind within 10-15 minutes. I had to wear two pair of sunglasses.

Coincidentally, that Superbeetle is the one I will need to sell to get an FUV. NADA mid-book is up $800 since that picture was taken.

Actually the Type I has a bluff nose and some pretty aggressive plan taper. A full boat tail requires only an additional three feet of length. The FUV is a tandem two-seater and would only need an added two feet.

The Toecutter 11-23-2017 12:50 PM

Ever since I saw it, I've always wondered what could happen if the Quattrovelo lost its pedals and was turned into a titanium-framed car with a carbon fiber/kevlar body and scaled up to accomodate a second passenger. Say, a tandem two seater with a 0.7 sq m frontal area, set up with all wheel drive via an in-wheel hub motor on each wheel of about 50 kW each with thick, sticky motorcycle tires, vector control, and a 10 kWh pack of Lone Star batteries?

You'd end up with a vehicle that weighed around 450-500 lbs unladen, had a CdA of around 0.15 m^2, and need like 2 kW to do 60 mph. Gear it for 120 mph(it probably wouldn't be stable after that), and its acceleration might match the new Tesla Roadster in all of its operating points... and you'd have well over 200 miles range driving on the highway for far less expense than it would cost to make a Tesla Roadster...

freebeard 11-23-2017 04:24 PM

Basalt is equal to carbon-fiber or Kevlar. One would hang subframes on a monocoque. Titanium performance could be equaled at lower cost by foamed steel or aluminum extruded through a 3D printer.

3-wheel steering 3-wheel drive with something similar to the Copenhagen wheel.

edit:
http://www.bikeexif.com/ducati-monster-400-cafe-racer

Ecky 11-24-2017 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 554788)
Basalt is equal to carbon-fiber or Kevlar. One would hang subframes on a monocoque. Titanium performance could be equaled at lower cost by foamed steel or aluminum extruded through a 3D printer.

3-wheel steering 3-wheel drive with something similar to the Copenhagen wheel.

edit:
Stone Cold Crazy: A Ducati Monster Wrapped in Basalt | Bike EXIF

My velo uses a geared hub motor. It's capable of ~5000RPM before gear reduction (approx 5:1) and very reliably produces ~3000w or 4HP for short bursts, probably half of that continuous without any cooling.

https://i.imgur.com/EDYzsRq.jpg


Geared hub motors can't do regen because the planetary gearset allows them to freewheel, but tend to be more efficient than direct drive motors because they don't need ridiculously large (and heavy) windings to operate efficiently in the RPM range wheels typically spin at. Above maybe 3-4HP, cooling them is problematic though.

Xist 11-24-2017 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 554263)
I had to wear two pair of sunglasses.

Did you remove them dramatically?

I am thinking of Humpty Hump from "Nothing but Trouble," but that was a disappointing movie.


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