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Arashi 11-29-2015 05:47 AM

Making the Toyota Previa mid engine van into a Ferrari SUV, photoshop idea.
 
How are you guys liking the aerodynamics on this concept... $800 Previa van with some chopping and bending of the roof line... put on a CNC'd kit and viola?

Ideally I'd like to crowd fund an open source (videos) on how to make this kit car.

http://i.imgur.com/TbM56EZ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/DOP2doc.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/nYjX1XD.jpg

Frank Lee 11-29-2015 08:15 AM

What does the viola do for it? :confused:

Arashi 11-29-2015 08:43 AM

Viola in the context of if its actually possible to have such a slick SUV and for it to be a safe road legal car.

Here's a stock Previa with a new face.
http://i.imgur.com/PW5JPx5.jpg

Frank Lee 11-29-2015 08:58 AM

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r...psbqsihube.jpg

Crowd fund? Wouldn't you just do it and record the progress? :confused:

Arashi 11-29-2015 11:13 AM

Im too poor.

Cd 11-29-2015 01:51 PM

I like your Photoshop and 3D skills !

As far as this concept, how aboat start small and work your way into things ?

Take the car that you drive now, and modify it. Even something as simple as a grille block or wheel covers can take days to figure out sometimes. :snail:

I really like the look of the design though. Keep up the art !

Cd 11-29-2015 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank Lee (Post 500792)

Hey, yo Frankie, ya crackin me up ovah hea.

Voila / viola :thumbup:

elhigh 11-29-2015 01:57 PM

Frank is messing with you. "Viola" = a stringed instrument a little larger than a violin. Like the relationship between a cornet and a trumpet.

SYK, "voila" = French phrase meaning "see there." Unfortunately some people get it even wronger and spell it "walla," which makes me want to punch my computer in the throat for even displaying something so dumb.

You are aware the front seats of the Previa sit right on top of that engine hump, right? Is there even enough headroom to lower the roof like you show?

Be advised that some of my concern stems from the previous generation Toyota Van (TownAce to non-American drivers), in which the engine hump is even higher.

Vman455 11-29-2015 02:33 PM

Violas are defiantly my favorite. It's like you took a double base, shrinked it, and walla! Viola!

Cd 11-29-2015 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by elhigh (Post 500805)
Frank is messing with you. "Viola" = a stringed instrument a little larger than a violin. Like the relationship between a cornet and a trumpet.

SYK, "voila" = French phrase meaning "see there." Unfortunately some people get it even wronger and spell it "walla," which makes me want to punch my computer in the throat for even displaying something so dumb.

You are aware the front seats of the Previa sit right on top of that engine hump, right? Is there even enough headroom to lower the roof like you show?

Be advised that some of my concern stems from the previous generation Toyota Van (TownAce to non-American drivers), in which the engine hump is even higher.

Did you just say " wronger " ?

So... back on topic. :thumbup:

Arashi 11-29-2015 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elhigh (Post 500805)
Frank is messing with you. "Viola" = a stringed instrument a little larger than a violin. Like the relationship between a cornet and a trumpet.

...

You are aware the front seats of the Previa sit right on top of that engine hump, right? Is there even enough headroom to lower the roof like you show?
.

Oh I see, thanks :)
Im around 5,10 in height, and there's considerable headroom inside the van so I think it should be okay.
I have an extreme conversion idea where the engine would actually be moved further back to make a jumbo sized supercar design.
VWVortex.com - Vortex'ers, converting a mid engine van (Previa) into a jumbo sized sports car? VZX content.

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Originally Posted by Cd (Post 500803)
As far as this concept, how aboat start small and work your way into things ?

I really like the look of the design though. Keep up the art !

Thanks... I have some other smaller idea like making a 1/5 scale toy car and front kit conversion for my 90's 300zx using my CNC machine. These smaller project would ensure my other ideas except it would take a longtime to get there.

freebeard 11-30-2015 03:02 PM

http://i.imgur.com/DOP2doc.jpg

The bottom pic is the clearest exposition of your concept. By my onscreen measurement, the wheelbase discrepancy is 94%. The discrepancy in wheel diameter is 88%. Imagine a mannequin into the driver's seat. The windshield header will be coincident with the driver's forehead. But enough about the details.

There are things that are hard to move on a car body, like the cowl height and beltline. That's why you see show cars that are sectioned or have a chopped top, but what you don't see as much are slab sides and beltlines resculpted as you show.

Try this: Start with the stock Previa body and apply a slant chop. The stock roofline's highest point is over the middle seats. Essentially you would cut a slit across the top of the windshield and take 6-8" out of the rear posts. The rear seat disappears and the middle seat moves down and back (else a shag carpet and water bed interior).

The roof could follow Thee Holy Template which would gain a lot of cred on Ecomodder. I would then graft in the rear hatch from a Dodge Magnum since I rilly dig those. The aggressive fender flares could be body-kitted over the slab sides.

You could start the slant chop at the bottom of the windshield, but good luck with that.

Edit: Oh, my. You could have started over fresh at Ecomodder, but you posted that VWVortex thread. They're not very polite to you there, are they?

So the way I get it is that you are living in the Previa in question, with a CNC router taking up the whole back end. Is that about it?

darcane 11-30-2015 03:43 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaW_35KPDBY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83dDHKFeWcM

But, it's not exactly a new concept:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnqdIsBJT0A

Vman455 11-30-2015 07:32 PM

Okay, now that I've read some of the Vortex thread--what do you intend here? To make a van that has some styling cues from a Ferrari? Or a van that will get around a track as fast as a car, or at least faster than it can now? The latter seems like it would be a much more rewarding project.

Arashi 11-30-2015 08:36 PM

Purely for looks!

I havent had time to read the rest of the thread yet... but here is the Vortex thread I made about this also.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...hart-you-think
I think finding a Prius in the junkyard and replanting its canopy would be the best option.
http://i.imgur.com/NPTiqFb.jpg

Here is a picture of me sitting above the engine without the thick seats... if I adopt some sport seats, the inside distance to the windshield and roof should be decent.
http://i.imgur.com/UYxZzuv.jpg

edit
Prius top
http://i.imgur.com/GD8D2aC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jVDieJa.jpg

freebeard 11-30-2015 11:12 PM

http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-fr...1396746884.jpg

How about this? Cut the Previa body all around 6-8" above the rocker panel. Obtain somehow a front-engined Japanese two seat coupe, an XZ or a VX or something and drop it on. Cut out the floorboards of the coupe to acccess the mid-engine as necessary. This will raise the wheelwells on the coupe body to clear your donk-mobile rims.

Arashi 12-01-2015 11:34 AM

That VW van looks nice... but I need to keep costs as low as possible.
Chopping the top and welding in the Prius should take care of all the major body work needed. The rest would be an add on body-kit and new headlights.
http://i.imgur.com/b0o8b5U.jpg
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Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 500891)

The bottom pic is the clearest exposition of your concept. By my onscreen measurement, the wheelbase discrepancy is 94%. The discrepancy in wheel diameter is 88%. Imagine a mannequin into the driver's seat. The windshield header will be coincident with the driver's forehead. But enough about the details.
I will be making a virtual build using 3d models including more compact seats to make sure theres proper spacing .

There are things that are hard to move on a car body, like the cowl height and beltline. That's why you see show cars that are sectioned or have a chopped top, but what you don't see as much are slab sides and beltlines resculpted as you show.
I feel cowl height may be a little problem once the seats are lower... but hopefully not too bad.

Try this: Start with the stock Previa body and apply a slant chop. The stock roofline's highest point is over the middle seats. Essentially you would cut a slit across the top of the windshield and take 6-8" out of the rear posts. The rear seat disappears and the middle seat moves down and back (else a shag carpet and water bed interior).
I think the Prius top would be perfect for this... I'd just have to adopt the Prius power windows to work with the Previa controls.

The roof could follow Thee Holy Template which would gain a lot of cred on Ecomodder. I would then graft in the rear hatch from a Dodge Magnum since I rilly dig those. The aggressive fender flares could be body-kitted over the slab sides.
Im thinking more of the Lambo SUV for the rear hatch... and FORD Bronco concept for the sides as I already have the 3D's for them.

You could start the slant chop at the bottom of the windshield, but good luck with that.

Edit: Oh, my. You could have started over fresh at Ecomodder, but you posted that VWVortex thread. They're not very polite to you there, are they?
We have a love hate relationship :)

So the way I get it is that you are living in the Previa in question, with a CNC router taking up the whole back end. Is that about it?
No I live in an apartment :p but yes my CNC machine is in the back of the van


freebeard 12-01-2015 12:34 PM

Quote:

I think the Prius top would be perfect for this... I'd just have to adopt the Prius power windows to work with the Previa controls.
One year in the 80s, at the Oregon Country Fair, I saw a VW Type II pickup that had the roof of a 1950 Kaiser grafted on. It had a nice fastback roofline.

Have you compared widths? It would only take a discrepancy of 3-4" to complexify things. If you want to use Prius power windows, those will be in the doors. Then you are looking at whether the door cutlines match. Good luck.

Cd 12-01-2015 06:51 PM

I certainly do not want to discourage your ideas, but I have to ask ... why ? Why that you are set on doing this project when you don't have the money ?
( I am 'poor' myself ! )

Have you welded before ? What about doing custom fabrication ?
I have my own fantasy project car, but it would take every penny I own to create it.

http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...shop-6720.html

I made a physical model of it, and a 3D model as well for aerodynamic testing.
I haven't read much of this thread, so maybe I am misunderstanding, but I would think that your skill would be better used designing these vehicles in 2D / 3D.

Another idea of mine :

http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...hape-5924.html

I like your art. I really do, and I think others will too.
Please do not feel discouraged.
I just think you are exerting a lot of time and effort on something that is better left as a concept.

Arashi 12-02-2015 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 500968)
One year in the 80s, at the Oregon Country Fair, I saw a VW Type II pickup that had the roof of a 1950 Kaiser grafted on. It had a nice fastback roofline.

Have you compared widths? It would only take a discrepancy of 3-4" to complexify things. If you want to use Prius power windows, those will be in the doors. Then you are looking at whether the door cutlines match. Good luck.

Thank you. That VW would be interesting to see...

The Prius top falls into Previa which is important... but hopefully adapting the windows wont be too difficult.
Previa width 71-68= 3 inch difference.

Previa wheelbase 112-106= 6 inche difference
I did some quick overlays and this is the angle of the roof line where the Prius window aligns to the Previa. Looks okay.
http://i.imgur.com/BI9OkRP.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cd (Post 500999)
I certainly do not want to discourage your ideas, but I have to ask ... why ? Why that you are set on doing this project when you don't have the money ?
( I am 'poor' myself ! )

I want to have a nice looking car to attract beautiful females and also to make a money making business out of selling kit car designs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cd (Post 500999)
Have you welded before ? What about doing custom fabrication ?
I have my own fantasy project car, but it would take every penny I own to create it.

Interesting designs in those threads, I specially like the "Gangster Grin" Hot Wheels toy.
I'll have to contract the welding and fabricating out... the rest I may be able to do myself.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cd (Post 500999)
I like your art. I really do, and I think others will too.
Please do not feel discouraged.
I just think you are exerting a lot of time and effort on something that is better left as a concept.

Thanks, I would love to do other designs, but I think I found a good combination here of looks and overall conversion costs.

Here's a 3D I put together with the Lambo SUV face.
Previa Concept - Video Dailymotion

http://i.imgur.com/awFm1z7.jpg

freebeard 12-02-2015 03:18 AM

They call it Daily Motion, but I can't get the thing to play. :confused: I can scrub the timeline, though; but I can't tell if it's a series of still pictures as it appears.

Everything appears to happen between 14 and 16 seconds. If you expand that, lose the cardboard people, bar and stripper stage, then it will demonstrate what you want to do much better.

And the still pictures? Do you know what 'greebling' is? Too much of that.

Aligning the door cut-line at the B-pillar is a good strategy. Are you going to retain the slider side door, or have any doors in back? You can graft the Prius window into the Previa door in front. Have a look at the Ring brother's wide-body Mustang.

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I want to have a nice looking car to attract beautiful females and also to make a money making business out of selling kit car designs.
We all want that! What model file types are you merging? OBJ, 3DS? What program?

Cd -- I remember the Karmann Ghia thread. Good times. But I hadn't seen the Which mass produced car is closest to a teardrop shape ? thread from 2008-10. Thanks for that. When Arcimoto ships the SRK with my number on it, I want full wheel pants, smooth nose and full boat tail in 30s style hammered aluminum. Then that will be it.

Arashi 12-02-2015 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 501043)
They call it Daily Motion, but I can't get the thing to play. :confused: I can scrub the timeline, though; but I can't tell if it's a series of still pictures as it appears.
...
And the still pictures? Do you know what 'greebling' is? Too much of that.
...
What model file types are you merging? OBJ, 3DS? What program?
it.

YouTube wasnt accepting my songs... but maybe your flash needs updating or you could try open it in another browser app.
I never learned how to model, so I just merge and bend designs together in Sketchup.
Quote:

Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 501043)
Aligning the door cut-line at the B-pillar is a good strategy. Are you going to retain the slider side door, or have any doors in back? You can graft the Prius window into the Previa door in front. Have a look at the Ring brother's wide-body Mustang.

I would like to keep easy access to the back seats so hopefully the slider door will work out okay with an added full body kit. I see what you mean with that Mustang.

I made another design change... but I havent properly sized out the true dimensions of the canopy and interior space needed for the occupants.

Previa Concept 2 - Video Dailymotion
http://i.imgur.com/0iH0g1D.jpg

freebeard 12-02-2015 01:26 PM

Quote:

YouTube wasnt accepting my songs... but maybe your flash needs updating or you could try open it in another browser app.
I have one browser that has Flash™ installed for watching videos. Too bad Steve Jobs died before Flash.

Quote:

I would like to keep easy access to the back seats so hopefully the slider door will work out okay with an added full body kit. I see what you mean with that Mustang.
You're Okay. You either knew about or found the Ring brothers without a link.

Xist 12-02-2015 09:12 PM

How much visibility would that have? Would a shorter driver be able to see over the steering wheel?

freebeard 12-03-2015 12:28 AM

More importantly, would a short driver be seen in it? :)

Arashi 12-03-2015 09:18 AM

Probably not :(
Quote:

Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 501084)
You're Okay. You either knew about or found the Ring brothers without a link.

A Google image search brings it right up!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xist (Post 501133)
How much visibility would that have? Would a shorter driver be able to see over the steering wheel?

I had chopped down a few inches in the front of the Previa for this reason... but not on the sides... so a short person would either need a higher seat (or pillows?) and extended pedals.
The concept in the fusion here is lower so its roof height looks specially low... I'll have to properly measure seats, occupant seating height and cabin roof space next time.
http://i.imgur.com/OUUlSP4.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6DUWpvz.jpg

Arashi 12-03-2015 10:24 AM

Looks like the roof is too low... thats me sitting between the seats, on the floor above the engine.
http://i.imgur.com/2piiJbJ.jpg


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