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alexshock 11-20-2021 08:24 AM

Mat & Carpet Removal
 
Hi Ecomodders!

Please, tell me that I should not do this and should not even think about this anymore! :D

I want to remove floor mat like they do in race/drift cars.
Something like like this:
https://svgmotorsport.com/wp-content...r-Interior.jpg
(Photo from https://svgmotorsport.com/about-the-...-car-interior/)

But it has several drawbacks:
1. Much more noise (will I need earplugs like on a helicopter?).
2. Hotter in summer (A/C may consume much more which will have negative impact on FE).
3. Colder in winter. :(
4. Vibration. (Thanks to freebeard!)

Please, post photos of your interior if you did the same.
And tell your opinion on the real noise feeling, temperature, etc.

Or even may be there other issues that I'm not aware? :eek:

cRiPpLe_rOoStEr 11-20-2021 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by alexshock (Post 659238)
Much more noise (will I need earplugs like on a helicopter?)

Not so extreme, plus much of the noise would come from a lower spot. Did you notice ambulances and police cars now feature the sirens behind the front grille instead of above the roof? That was done in order to decrease the likelihood of long-term hearing impairments for operators.


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Hotter in summer (A/C may consume much more which will have negative impact on FE)
You could eventually resort to some thermal insulators which are lighter than the original trim. Those aluminium-sided insulator blankets, often used for roofing insulation, are quite common to see on JDM cars converted from RHD to LHD in countries such as Paraguay, sealing some gaps on the right-hand side of the firewall.


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Colder in winter. :(
Either those aluminium-sided blankets or some rubberized paint could do the trick to not make the interior so colder in winter.

freebeard 11-20-2021 01:25 PM

Both of these had bare floorboards but I don\'t have a picture of the interiors.

https://ecomodder.com/forum/member-f...-outa-town.jpg

These work because of the rear engine. No fumes in the cabin or exhaust heat.

The thing you didn't list is vibration. You sit with your feet on a drumhead.

Gasoline Fumes 11-20-2021 01:47 PM

I have a bare metal floor in my Insight. No carpet, no under-carpet sound deadening. I took the carpet out to wash it. I haven't put it back in because I have a few water leaks to fix first. Yes, it's loud and I wear earplugs.

The carpet in this small car was under 6 pounds. The tar sheets under it were at least that much.

I'm not sure how much it affects temperatures in the car. A floor mat in winter might help.

alexshock 11-20-2021 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr (Post 659253)
You could eventually resort to some thermal insulators which are lighter than the original trim. Those aluminium-sided insulator blankets, often used for roofing insulation, are quite common to see on JDM cars converted from RHD to LHD in countries such as Paraguay, sealing some gaps on the right-hand side of the firewall.

I afraid, this is not the good idea, as I also want to keep nice look of the interior.
Those insulators should be covered with something, but it means literally yo return carpet back.

alexshock 11-20-2021 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Gasoline Fumes (Post 659263)
A floor mat in winter might help.

I think, I will definitely keep mats. First of all we have dirty winters... Second is that I want bare metal to be protected from scratches and quick rust.

alexshock 11-20-2021 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Gasoline Fumes (Post 659263)
Yes, it's loud and I wear earplugs.

Do you wear earplugs BECAUSE OF that noise? Is it really so loud?

I'm expecting much noise comes from the road and wheels, not the engine.
Does engine really produce more noise?

freebeard 11-20-2021 02:40 PM

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First of all we have dirty winters... Second is that I want bear metal to be protected from scratches and quick rust.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/644729.jpg
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/644729.jpg

I should make up a set of these for my Baja Bug.

Gasoline Fumes 11-20-2021 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by alexshock (Post 659268)
Do you wear earplugs BECAUSE OF that noise? Is it really so loud?

I'm expecting much noise comes from the road and wheels, not the engine.
Does engine really produce more noise?

It's mostly road/tire noise. I also have no rear interior, so I get a lot of noise from the rear tires. If you take out only the carpet, but leave the floor mats, it might not be that bad.

freebeard 11-20-2021 05:10 PM

No picture, but successive Beetles have had an L-shaped deck to replace the shotgun and rear seats. Six feet long by 4 feet wide. It's about six inches off the floor. Probably quieter than having the seats.

Carpeted now but it was raw plywood for a long time because I would move air compressors and stuff in it.

cRiPpLe_rOoStEr 11-20-2021 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by alexshock (Post 659266)
I afraid, this is not the good idea, as I also want to keep nice look of the interior.
Those insulators should be covered with something, but it means literally yo return carpet back.

Those insulators are usually placed either at the engine bay in those JDM cars, or at the underbody, and always facing the outside. You won't even see it inside.

alexshock 11-20-2021 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr (Post 659277)
Those insulators are usually placed either at the engine bay in those JDM cars, or at the underbody, and always facing the outside. You won't even see it inside.

Good to know, I was not aware about the methodology. I will read more about it.

cRiPpLe_rOoStEr 11-20-2021 05:59 PM

There are other materials which could eventually match your weight-saving intents better, such as a ceramic coating named Lizard Skin. But I'm not sure how hard it might be for you to source it there in Ukraine.

some_other_dave 11-26-2021 03:17 PM

Why don't you test it out for yourself? Carpet removal is not that difficult for many of the pieces. Just pull some of the ones that are easier to replace and see how it affects the cabin noise and such. Keep going until either the noise is too much, or until you like the look.

alexshock 11-26-2021 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by some_other_dave (Post 659649)
Why don't you test it out for yourself? Carpet removal is not that difficult for many of the pieces. Just pull some of the ones that are easier to replace and see how it affects the cabin noise and such. Keep going until either the noise is too much, or until you like the look.

Actually I need to remove and put back the whole interior... My carpet is a single piece.
https://www.breakeryard.com/sites/de...cf13_c7b2.jpeg

Also, if I remove it, I will need to put mats back to avoid scratching paint and I need to create some locks for driver mats, so that they remain secure... Much to do, so I prefer to ask first :D

cRiPpLe_rOoStEr 11-27-2021 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by alexshock (Post 659651)
I will need to put mats back to avoid scratching paint and I need to create some locks for driver mats, so that they remain secure...

Would it be out of question to put vynil contact paper over the floor?

alexshock 11-27-2021 07:08 PM

Could be, I was not thinking about it before.

cRiPpLe_rOoStEr 11-27-2021 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by alexshock (Post 659684)
Could be, I was not thinking about it before.

It's relatively inexpensive, not heavier than the stock carpet, and much easier to clean.

freebeard 12-27-2021 09:19 PM

I still like the idea of duckboards.

JSH 01-01-2022 11:20 PM

I hate carpet in cars - makes absolutely no sense to me to put something that gets dirty at holds moisture on the floor of a car

I've removed the carpet from 2 vehicles.

The first was a 1972 Porsche 914. That car had a carpet with no sound deadening under it - just painted metal. It was much louder without the carpet

The 2nd was a 1991 Ford Ranger truck. The truck had a layer of rubber or tar like sound deadening. Removing the carpet didn't change the sound level much at all and I drove it for years without a carpet. I just sprayed the floor with some spray on bed liner to prevent scratches and rust.

Similar to this from the Ranger Forums

https://www.ranger-forums.com/attach...p1310001-1.jpg

freebeard 01-09-2022 03:20 PM

This is the most recent relevant thread for this:

https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...Z5Kg=w640-h358
http://justacarguy.blogspot.com/2022...ghtweight.html
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Steel bumpers were removed, as were the steel bumper extensions and parking brake assembly. The heavy core support and radiator were removed and an L-88 aluminum radiator was mounted lower, for optimal airflow.

He deleted the windshield wiper system’s metal door, linkage, and vacuum actuator. The removable rear window and metal framework were replaced by a plexiglass piece, while the rear Astro ventilation ductwork was also removed, together with grilles, vacuum actuator, and door.

The headlights were inspired by the Lola Ford GT. The quad headlights sit behind plexiglass covers and are nested in 1963 Corvette headlight buckets. The turn signals came from a 1966 Pontiac GTO and the high beams were GE aircraft landing lights. GM did not offer sports mirrors at the time, so the original chrome one was removed and a pair of 1969 Mustang BOSS 302 mirrors were molded directly into the doors.

the interior was also simplified. It featured a radio and heater delete, and Richard fitted a factory radio block-off plate. The gauge cluster above it was simplified and the die-cast center console was replaced with a lightweight aluminum panel.

The veteran Pontiac technician used window switches that were 1969 Pontiac Station Wagon tailgate window switches. Those were recessed into the leather-padded part of the console. Aside from using a lot of aluminum, Richard also removed the factory sound deadening and carpet padding, after which he reinstalled the original carpeting directly over the fiberglass floor. The lightweight seats were sourced from Bruce Meyers, creator of Meyers Manx

The steering wheel came from a 1969 Pontiac Trans Am, which can be adjusted outwards and inwards by popping out the 1956 Corvette horn button and loosening a screw beneath it.
[snip]
What struck me as an unexpected challenge, was that after losing 500 pounds, the owner then learned that he now needed to adapt the suspension, for it no longer was a heavy weight, and needed the right shocks for a lighter car.
I dig the GT-40 headlights on a Corvette.

cRiPpLe_rOoStEr 01-19-2022 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JSH (Post 661036)
I hate carpet in cars - makes absolutely no sense to me to put something that gets dirty at holds moisture on the floor of a car

Makes much more sense to use vinyl instead of carpet, as it's much easier to keep clean.


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