Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > Aerodynamics
Register Now
 Register Now
 

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 01-18-2009, 12:37 PM   #1 (permalink)
Philthy
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: lexington, ky
Posts: 36

craggin' wagon - '01 Subaru Outback
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
NACA/Airfoil Profiles

I've searched the site and the web for NACAss airfoil profiles to use as a template to design rooflines but so far I haven't found anything. Does anyone know of a website that has a bunch for download or know of a book that would include a bunch that I could copy and/or scan. I live right by a University so i could use there library if I knew what I was looking for.

  Reply With Quote
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 01-18-2009, 10:54 PM   #2 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Victoria , Australia.
Posts: 499
Thanks: 20
Thanked 46 Times in 33 Posts
I have cut / pasted a few sites from my booklist which may help.
NACA evolved into NASA and RACE Magazine is a local (Australian) car tech mag. They ran a series of article on aero wings and profiles and how to build them.


naca.larc.nasa.gov.
http://www.hanleyinnovations.com/racecar1.html
Race Magazine - Home

Look specifically for wings / section with the numbers E 423 (E is for Eppler) and NACA
4415.
The NACA numbers mean:
First number: amount of camber of the mean line
Second number: Where it occurs
Last two numbers: Thickness to chord ratio.
So for 4415: 4 degrees , 40 % back from the leading edge ; with 15% t/c.

Hope this helps,

Pete.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2009, 04:52 PM   #3 (permalink)
Philthy
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: lexington, ky
Posts: 36

craggin' wagon - '01 Subaru Outback
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanks Pete, that is definately a good start
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2009, 05:14 PM   #4 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
aerohead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Sanger,Texas,U.S.A.
Posts: 15,895
Thanks: 23,972
Thanked 7,223 Times in 4,650 Posts
template

pawilkes,if you do a search for MetroMPG's permanent Kammback,we've got a template you can use.It's developed from a 2.5:1 teardrop body of revolution,which has the lowest profile drag and lowest skin friction.---------- Wing profiles are going to have more skin friction do to their length.-------- If you follow the scaling protocol on our template,you'll end up with a roofline with zero separated flow,maximum static regain,and minimum skin friction,for minimum drag.
__________________
Photobucket album: http://s1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/aerohead2/
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2010, 08:16 AM   #5 (permalink)
EcoModding Lurker
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: greece
Posts: 1
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
this is a nice site with drawings in .DWG file
ww.davincitechnologies.com/AirfoilOptimizerStdAirfoils.htm
(add a "w" in front)
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2010, 02:09 PM   #6 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
aerohead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Sanger,Texas,U.S.A.
Posts: 15,895
Thanks: 23,972
Thanked 7,223 Times in 4,650 Posts
airfoils

Quote:
Originally Posted by elsp View Post
this is a nice site with drawings in .DWG file
ww.davincitechnologies.com/AirfoilOptimizerStdAirfoils.htm
(add a "w" in front)
Bear in mind that airfoils are designed for flight.Abbott and von Doenhoff warn,in their Theory of Wing Sections that if a wing is used outside the context for which it is created,then none of its performance criteria have any validity.
Wings are designed for laminar environments far beyond ground effect.They have zero profile drag and are governed by skin friction.
In an automotive environment all the air is turbulent,you are emersed in ground effect,skin friction plays only an insignificant role,and the greatest challenge is moving the point of separation as far back as possible,which is achievable only with the longer,gently tapering tail as depicted in the streamlining template.If you make it longer,drag goes back up do to increased skin friction.
You might want to look at W.A.Mair's work on boat tails.This is what works with motor vehicles.Leave that wing stuff for the 'upper' sky.
  Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2010, 03:07 PM   #7 (permalink)
EcoModding Apprentice
 
Bicycle Bob's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: N. Saskatchewan, CA
Posts: 1,805

Appliance White - '93 Geo Metro 4-Dr. Auto
Last 3: 42.35 mpg (US)

Stealth RV - '91 Chevy Sprint Base
Thanks: 91
Thanked 459 Times in 327 Posts
Yeah, "The Theory of Wing Sections" by Abbott and Von Doenhoff has a lot of great shapes for wings, not for fuselages. Most of the book is devoted to the laminar flow shapes in the "6" series. A 66021 is (6) a laminar shape, (6) thickest at 60% back, where it transitions to turbulent flow, (0) not cambered - a symmetrical wing and (21) 21% as thick as it is wide. The cd is about .04 at low angles of attack. Some earlier shapes were as low as .03, but were too fussy for safe flight.
PLEASE DON'T GET EXCITED ABOUT THESE SHAPES unless you are ready to use them exactly, with no seams, ripples, roughness, bugs or vibration, and understanding that turbulent flow will spread at 15 deg from the wheel openings.
To get away from wing shapes, which are designed for good lift with a stable center of pressure and options for flaps, with low drag, and find low-drag volume containers, search on "Bodies of Revolution." (Note to NSA robot - that is not a political comment.)

  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Bicycle Bob For This Useful Post:
aerohead (03-27-2010)
Reply  Post New Thread




Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
sweet celebrity green car profiles budomove General Efficiency Discussion 3 03-13-2008 02:08 PM



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com