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MetroMPG 05-19-2017 11:32 AM

Mitsubishi engine swap: Ford Model T gets plug-in hybrid drivetrain
 
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http://ecomodder.com/forum/attachmen...1&d=14952074051917 Mitsubishi Model A

Are hybridized antiques becoming a thing?

Mitsubishi is marking 100 years of auto production by recreating its first car, with a twist.

There aren't any 1917 Mitsu Model A's around anymore, so they're using a Model T as the basis for the reconstruction, into which they're sticking the plug-in drivetrain from the Outlander hybrid.

The project is being done in California, and will be televised:

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The vehicle is being built at the West Coast Customs facility in Burbank, CA and will be completed this summer. The build will be featured on an episode of Inside West Coast Customs, which airs on the Velocity network, Tuesdays, 9 PM PDT/EDT.
Source: Mitsubishi Motors Partners with West Coast Customs to Re-Create the Car that Started It All 100 Years Ago - Mitsubishi Newsroom

Jalopnik is covering it too:

http://ecomodder.com/forum/attachmen...1&d=1495207732

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At this point, the Outlander has been stripped down to a skateboard and the “Model A” has pretty much been gutted to have its wooden structural components replaced with metal ones and receive some more reinforcement.
Source: West Coast Customs And Mitsubishi Are Doing The Engine Swap Of The Century

Daox 05-19-2017 12:27 PM

Sounds like a fun project.

Fingie 05-21-2017 12:04 PM

my inner purist is screaming.

But a cool idea :D

Stubby79 05-22-2017 03:04 AM

It's not even a Front-engined, RWD setup...

Does anyone make a hybrid drivetrain that is?

MetroMPG 05-22-2017 10:40 AM

Yeah, I'm wondering whether they're going to just drop the T body on the modified Outlander chassis, or actually move the running gear into the T.

The donor SUV is AWD, by the way.

I think Toyota has a couple of RWD front engine hybrids. Their flagship Lexus sedan is, and I think there's a Lexus RWD hybrid coupe.

BMW & Merc also do PHEV RWD hybrids.

cRiPpLe_rOoStEr 05-23-2017 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by MetroMPG (Post 541028)
Yeah, I'm wondering whether they're going to just drop the T body on the modified Outlander chassis, or actually move the running gear into the T.

The donor SUV is AWD, by the way.

Since the Outlander has a transversely-oriented engine, it might be even more challenging to keep the proportions close to stock with that narrow cowl from the Model T.


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I think Toyota has a couple of RWD front engine hybrids. Their flagship Lexus sedan is, and I think there's a Lexus RWD hybrid coupe.
Nowadays almost every Lexus has at least one hybrid version, and in some markets (mostly in Europe) it now follows a hybrid-only approach.


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BMW & Merc also do PHEV RWD hybrids.
Though I've never seen a hybrid Mercedes-Benz, recently I've seen those BMW i hybrids quite frequently...

Stubby79 05-23-2017 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr (Post 541081)
Since the Outlander has a transversely-oriented engine, it might be even more challenging to keep the proportions close to stock with that narrow cowl from the Model T.

Exactly!

Fingie 05-23-2017 07:10 AM

Coupling the hybrid driveline with a T-model pedal-operated "3-speeder":D

MetroMPG 05-23-2017 10:26 AM

I've never driven a T, but it would be an interesting experience, from videos I've seen.

cRiPpLe_rOoStEr 05-23-2017 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Fingie (Post 541091)
Coupling the hybrid driveline with a T-model pedal-operated "3-speeder":D

IIRC the Model T had only 2-speed.

freebeard 05-23-2017 08:41 PM

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...away_front.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mitsubishi_Outlander_PHEV_cutaway_front.jpg

Here's the nut West Coast Customs need to crack. A boxy package that fits between the Mapherson strut towers. No worse than an Ardun heads on a Ford V-8.

I suggest replacing the Macpherson struts with rocker arms.

jray3 05-25-2017 04:53 PM

The Outlander PHEV is a sibling to the i-MiEV, and the i-MiEV RWD drivetrain would almost certainly fit beneath that Mitsu Model A rear body all in one compact package. Of course, the PHEV has more panache and profit, so perhaps that's why they're taking the more challenging route.

cRiPpLe_rOoStEr 05-27-2017 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by jray3 (Post 541224)
The Outlander PHEV is a sibling to the i-MiEV, and the i-MiEV RWD drivetrain would almost certainly fit beneath that Mitsu Model A rear body all in one compact package. Of course, the PHEV has more panache and profit, so perhaps that's why they're taking the more challenging route.

I don't know why the choice for the PHEV, but maybe they wanted something that could be perceived as less compromising than going all-electric.

rmay635703 05-28-2017 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr (Post 541107)
IIRC the Model T had only 2-speed.

Not to get into a historical argument but the model T had 3 unique gear ratios, 2 forward and 1 reverse. Ford himself called it a 3 speed hence the confusion .

You needed all 3 ratios to make it up certain hills you had to drive up in reverse because both forward gears were too high and reverse was "low"

freebeard 05-28-2017 11:14 PM

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"History would be a wonderful thing if only it were true."
Leo Tolstoy

It's complicated:
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Model_T:
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The three pedals on the floor of the Model T were for the brake on the right, reverse in the middle to make the Model T go backwards, and a pedal on the left to shift the gears from low to high speed. A lever on the floor worked the brakes as well as the clutch. Pulling the lever toward the driver would set the parking brake and help keep the car from moving while parked. When the lever was placed in the middle, the transmission would be in neutral.

cRiPpLe_rOoStEr 05-29-2017 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by rmay635703 (Post 541372)
Not to get into a historical argument but the model T had 3 unique gear ratios, 2 forward and 1 reverse. Ford himself called it a 3 speed hence the confusion .

You needed all 3 ratios to make it up certain hills you had to drive up in reverse because both forward gears were too high and reverse was "low"

Indeed, and it can be quite confusing. I have already seen many delivery trucks (presumably they would fall into Class 5 there) going uphill on reverse to climb some alleys in hilly neighborhoods, but anyway, since it became more usual to mention only the forward gears, it's not totally wrong to quote the Ford Model T as having a 2-speed transmission.

Fingie 05-29-2017 08:09 AM

the 3-speeder is good if you have the additional "Muncie" Box, giving you 7 speeds :D one of them gears is having both gearboxes in reverse so you can creep up hills

cRiPpLe_rOoStEr 06-02-2017 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Fingie (Post 541396)
the 3-speeder is good if you have the additional "Muncie" Box, giving you 7 speeds :D one of them gears is having both gearboxes in reverse so you can creep up hills

I knew about a Ruckstell 2-speed rear axle that was sold as an accessory for the Ford Model T, but didn't know about auxiliary gearboxes.

Fingie 06-02-2017 10:32 AM

oh, the T had and still has a lot of aftermarket :D

me and my metro 06-02-2017 10:57 AM

One of the reasons for backing up a steep hill in a Model T was fuel supply. They did not have a fuel pump and the tank was under the seat. By backing up a steep hill you still had fuel getting to the updraft carb. My best friend's dad had one when we were in high school, we drove it around every summer.

cRiPpLe_rOoStEr 06-03-2017 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by me and my metro (Post 541698)
One of the reasons for backing up a steep hill in a Model T was fuel supply. They did not have a fuel pump and the tank was under the seat. By backing up a steep hill you still had fuel getting to the updraft carb.

There were some versions with the tank in the firewall, less prone to starve while going uphill.
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