The most prolific Eco Engine
 

I've just been thinking... whilst stuck in traffic. There is one engine which crosses numerous manufacturers and delivers great economy.

The Little Fiat 1.3 multijet!

it slots into:

Fiat 500
Fiat Panda
Fiat Punto
Fiat Grande Punto
Fiat Qubo
Fiat Doblo
Fiat Sedici
Fiat Albea
Fiat Idea
Fiat Linea
Fiat Fiorino
Fiat Qubo
Fiat Strada
Vauxhall/Opel Agila
Vauxhall/Opel Astra
Vauxhall/Opel Corsa
Vauxhall/Opel Eco speedster
Vauxhall/Opel Combo
Vauxhall/Opel Meriva
Vauxhall/Opel Tigra TwinTop
Suzuki swift
Suzuki splash
Suzuki SX4
Suzuki Ignis
Suzuki Wagon R+
Alfa Romeo MiTo
Ford Ka (2008- )
Lancia Musa
Lancia Ypsilon
TATA Indica Vista
TATA Indigo Manza

SO it covers both Ford and GM :eek:

anyone think an engine thats been in more than 31cars over 7 manufacturers that produce the figures this can???

robchalmers -

Yay, you wrote the secret woid!

http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-cf...word-panda.jpg

I'd love to have a Fiat Panda option in the USA ...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...4_facelift.JPG

... Orrrrr at least the engine in a bare-bones Saturn SC1.

CarloSW2

Ah rob..

I thought you were going to post about either the Pug HDI lump or the VW PD lump..

none of this itialian toffee stuff!

I can't think of en engine used i more differrent cars! :D

I would but they just don't seem to be as widely used! IIRC the 1.9PD was only in 5 manufacturer's cars
VW
seat
skoda
audi
ford(sharan)
Although it probably get close to the 30 cars

Pug 2.0HDI
pug
citroen
fiat
MitsuBUSHY

The 1.6 HDi is in even more cars:

• Citroën
• Peugeot
• Ford (TDCi)
• Volvo
• Suzuki
• Mini Cooper D
• Mazda

According to Wikipedia.

When I read the title of this thread i thought it was about GM's 3-cylinder 12v 1.0 liter EcoTec engine.

7 manufacturers.... 26 cars

there must be another one out there!

that's not really an engine, more a way of artificially boosting headgasket sales:)

Fair point about the hdi lumps..
:)
As for the vw pd-they were used in the mk4 transporter too

My Grandma has a Corsa C with one of those. It takes a while to get used to when switching over from my turbodiesel, but I like it anyway. I've heard it's called a petrol-powered sewing machine;)

Volvo C30 , V70, S80 ;
Peugeot 1007, 3008 and 5008, Partner and Expert vans;
Citroen Jumpy ;
Mini Countryman ;
Ford Grand Cmax ;
Mazda 5 (in early 2011)

It's actually in 2 different generations (not facelifts) of the C4 and C5, Ford Focus, Cmax.

In 2-valve / cylinder form it'll also appear in the Volvo S60/V60.

I think we have a winner!!! - 32 cars

Peugeot 3081.6 HDi
Suzuki SX4 1.6 DDiS, 90*PS (89*hp/66*kW) and 159*ft·lbf (215*N·m)
MINI Cooper D 1.6 110 PS (108*hp/80*kW) and 177*ft·lbf (240 N·m)
Citroën C4 Picasso 1.6 HDi, 110 PS (108*hp/80*kW) and 177*ft·lbf (240 N·m)
Citroën Berlingo 1.6 HDi, 75–90*PS (74–89*hp/55–66*kW) and 127–159*ft·lbf (172–215*N·m)
Citroën C3 1.6 HDi, 90*PS (89*hp/66*kW) and 159*ft·lbf (215*N·m)
Citroën C4 1.6 HDi, 90–109*PS (89–108*hp/66–80*kW) and 159–177*ft·lbf (215–240*N·m)
Citroen Jumpy
Citroën C5 1.6 HDi, 109*PS (108*hp/80*kW) and 177*ft·lbf (240*N·m)
Citroën Xsara Picasso 1.6 HDi, 109*PS (108*hp/80*kW) and 177*ft·lbf (240*N·m)
Ford Fiesta 1.6 TDCi, 90*PS (89*hp/66*kW) and 159*ft·lbf (215*N·m)
Ford Fusion (European) 1.6 TDCi, 90*PS (89*hp/66*kW) and 159*ft·lbf (215*N·m)
Ford Focus 1.6 TDCi 90, 90*PS (89*hp/66*kW) and 159*ft·lbf (215*N·m)
Ford Focus C
Peugeot 206 1.6 HDi, 109*PS (108*hp/80*kW) and 177*ft·lbf (240*N·m)
Peugeot 207 1.6 HDi, 90–109*PS (89–108*hp/66–80*kW) and 159–177*ft·lbf (215–240*N·m)
Peugeot 307 1.6 HDi, 90–109*PS (89–108*hp/66–80*kW) and 159–177*ft·lbf (215–240*N·m)
Peugeot 407 1.6 HDi, 109*PS (108*hp/80*kW) and 177*ft·lbf (240*N·m)
Mazda2 MZ
Mazda3 MZ
Mazda 5
Volvo S40 1.6D, 109*PS (108*hp/80*kW) and 177*ft·lbf (240*N·m)
Volco C30
Volvo V50
Volvo S60
Volvo V70
Volvo S80 drivE
Peugeot 1007
Peugeot 3008
Peugeot 5008,
Peugeot Partner
Peugeot Expert

So do Euromodder and I get a reward for owning cars on that list? ;)

the prize is you get to walk around with a smug grin on your face in the knowledge!

Yes! Yes! Yes!

Hellow. This is my first Post. Currently i own Italian car with mentioned engine - 1.3 JTD on fiat idea. It is slightly bigger than Panda, but still it manages to get 55 mpg (4.3 litres/ 100 km) without any mods at all, just careful driving. Planing to go alternator less/mini regenerative braking for reaching 65 mpg. But still - it is sexiest diesel ever. :thumbup:

Add another one !

Ford is introducing the PSA 1.6L diesel engine in the new Mondeo Econetic.

Report: Ford confirms Geneva debut of diesel-sipping Mondeo Econetic — Autoblog Green

What counts in your contest here?

For decades, the 305 small block Chevy V8 was considered the economical version of the SBC. I bet I could dig up over a hundred cars that engine was in over the years. Open it to SBCs in general, and you may be in the thousands of different cars (even motorcycles).

Mike

That's cultural difference.
V8s have never been considered economical on this side of the Atlantic.
In absolute terms, they never were anywhere near economical - nor will they be.

^ Yes, I don't think something that can barely crack 20 mpg U.S., no matter what it's installed in, qualifies as eco. And there there are the emissions...

Part of the problem with the economy of the small block chev. was what it was usually installed in. Even so, A vette will break 30mpg easy enough. Put an aluminum sbc in car no wider or higher than it is and the mileage will improve. Put a TDI QRSTUVW in a Silverado Quad Cab and see what the mileage is. :confused:

Never broke 30mpg in mine... but I did get 29mpg on a tank in my '94 Corvette. But that wasn't with the economical 305, that was a portly 350.

I guess the point I was trying to make is more of the fact that if you narrow the scope of what is allowed and you can make anything "the best" or "the most" and pat yourself on the back. The 305 definately falls into "eco engine" relative to other engines of the 1980's in the US and is far more prolific, but if you exclude it then, yes, the Fiat engine is probably on top. :thumbup:

Mike

my '92 LT1 had a 2.59 rear gear is probably why. i often wondered what my vw engine would do in the vett? probably better than in the rabbit body.

just a side note the SBC Block itself is physically the same other then slight casting changes and slight bore. It is the stroke that makes the cubic inch difference. So placing a SBC 400 crank in a 350 and some minor clearance to the cylinder skirts you get the popular 383 ci version that GM never made but you hear about often, there are many other proven combos from power but that is not the point of the thread. The 262, 265, 283, 302, 305, 307, 327, 350 and the 400 I believe were all branded Chevrolet's Small block from the early 50's till the early 2000's where Then they rewrote the Book.

If you want a cheap aluminum version source a 82 Camaro pace car they had a alum 305 as part of the package

For what they were they were average in economy for their applications. Pretty good with he right fuel injection setup the TPI of the mid 80's vaulted them from mid teens in mpg to the mid 20's despite the air pump and the other emission controls they were saddled with.

But to your point those detuned 305's could crank out 300,000 miles like clockwork rock solid reliable. I appreciate something that can take so much punishment and keep going. The amount of applications it had is a testament to its strength too bad they never tried to improve its economy.

I read they did try *a lil bit* with the 262... the small size didn't really offer any benefits vs the bigger ones so that's why it's rare...

The 262 was a smog motor made in 75-76 only (I looked it up) the cat converter was mandated in 1975. I don't think they were trying to make a gas sipper they just destroked a 305 with a smaller crank to get the displacement wanting to pass emissions.

A friend of mine had one in his 75 Monza that is how I am familiar with it, we pulled it dropped in a mild home built 350 and he drove it for years till he sold it.

I also remember that it was one of the weakest SBChevys ever made believe me I know I have a 75 Corvette... Now that was a car begging to be tuned.

Not sure there are any rules, but the 305 Chevy V8 an economical engine? Can't say I agree. Sure, they were installed in practically everything that Chevy put out from the 70's to the 90's. But the only car I can say they ever put them in that got decent gas mileage was the Trans Am firebird / Z-28 Camaro. Think most of that is due to the better aero on them combined with the overdrive. The Corvette didn't do horrible on gas, but it was a 350.
VT247

By the end of their life, Chevy was trying for better MPG in their 305. Better fuel injection, Vortec heads, better timing, roller camshaft, electric fuel pump instead of mechanical, etc. These engines were installed in vans up to 2003 and still retained the Gen I characteristics.
VT247

The Concept of the games was to find an engine that had been in the most number of manufacturers and Cars while providing the best mpg and the lowest CO2.

leader so far is 32cars , 80+mpg and sub100 CO2 with the PSA 1.6

My SGII claimed that I got 31 mpg towing a trailer that a standard silverado would fit in (but 6' celling)+ some furniture (500~1000 lbs) Pulled around 65 mph 125 miles each way.
As always no claims to accuracy of SGII.

SBC isn't a terrible engine, nor is it the holy grail claimed by many.
I'd bet it holds the record for most models installed in. Even if we just did European we could get a dozen or so.
I also bet it holds record for most gallons of gasoline consumed by any 1 engine design.

As of recently, Fiat had already made 4.000.000 of them !

Fiat built 1.3 Multijet engine 4000000 - Smart Motorist

Most prolific eco engine ?

Well it does 35+ MPG, has been around since 1952 and I stopped counting at 70 cars. And that doesn't include Tier 2 makers who also used it and overseas licence manufacture.

Ladies and Gentlement, the A-series.

http://www.aronline.co.uk/images/engineaseries_05.jpg

This one delivers up to 225 mpg and has been reproduced over 60,000,000 times (not including Chinese and other Asian clones):

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r...uper-cub-1.jpg
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r.../honda50ad.jpg

I wonder how much fuel has been run through them since 1958?

I agree, Frank wins. :D

Hmmm I wonder how that honda 50 would perform in a GMC Yukon. I guess a little slow unless you remove the roof rack.